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While this sometimes happens, I cant say its always been a good experience. It is much better when Debian experimental is a technological playground for Ubuntu.
Ubuntu as a technological playground for Debian
Posted Nov 26, 2010 10:47 UTC (Fri) by wookey (subscriber, #5501)
I'd be interesting to hear of experiments in Ubuntu that went well and ones that went badly.
Posted Nov 26, 2010 19:21 UTC (Fri) by jrn (subscriber, #64214)
Per-package archives with newer upstream versions of Debian packages are very useful. They dont exist within Debian because the infrastructure for that doesnt exist. Example: git.
I suspect (please dont flame me) that having python2.6 in Ubuntu early was a net positive for Debian and Ubuntu. Uploading to Debian experimental at the same time would have been better, since it would allow use of Debian's bug tracking system, give Debian developers a chance to help out with packaging details, and make it easier for many packages to be tested against the new version of Python.
Packages in "universe" are another story. Some Ubuntu contributors introducing packages there do not seem to have made any effort to contact the corresponding Debian maintainer. Yes, breakage sometimes results.
Some experiments do not seem to have been mentioned to the corresponding Debian package maintainers at all. Example: use of profile feedback based optimization for /bin/sh.
In general, DDs tend to be pretty open to experiments in Debian experimental, so it seems a shame not to take advantage of the usual benefits of an "upstream first" policy.
Posted Nov 27, 2010 3:07 UTC (Sat) by drag (subscriber, #31333)
Personally the PPA's are one of the major reasons I've switched from Debian to Ubuntu.
Plus Ubuntu's out of the box experience is massively better then Debian's. Even after putting significant work into getting things like PulseAudio working on my Debian laptop it was still not as good as what I got out of Ubuntu by default.
Ubuntu 10.10 is a huge improvement over something like 8.04...
Posted Nov 27, 2010 15:06 UTC (Sat) by jrn (subscriber, #64214)
I like to think that the distinct out-of-box experiences do not put strain on the relationship and that, like RHEL and Fedora, the two projects are not aggressively competing against each other for users. Roughly speaking, Ubuntu has fewer accessible developers and more users; for those who might want to participate in development by bug reporting, the former would be more important, while for many other people network effects from the latter would be.
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