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The way to Wayland: Preparing for life After X

Posted Nov 23, 2010 1:33 UTC (Tue) by nlucas (subscriber, #33793)
Parent article: The way to Wayland: Preparing for life After X

I don't understand why all this fuss about something that can be completely transparent to the user.

If the implementation is done right no one will notice. The network transparency will remain as good or better than before, so why all this hostility?

Sure, it can be another Pulse Audio or KDE 4 breakage, but that seems just to be the preferred "Linux way" of improving things. On the other hand there are real gains on dropping X as the hardware controller and have it be just the X protocol controller he is good at.

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The way to Wayland: Preparing for life After X

Posted Nov 23, 2010 3:08 UTC (Tue) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]

because the people creating the new version are claiming that nobody needs the network transparency, so they are pushing to have all apps convert to a new system that would have them be incompatible with X11, thus eliminating the network transparency for those who need it.

The way to Wayland: Preparing for life After X

Posted Nov 23, 2010 11:32 UTC (Tue) by nye (guest, #51576) [Link]

>because the people creating the new version are claiming that nobody needs the network transparency

Is there any actual evidence of this?

The way to Wayland: Preparing for life After X

Posted Nov 25, 2010 9:22 UTC (Thu) by renox (subscriber, #23785) [Link]

>I don't understand why all this fuss about something that can be completely transparent to the user.
>If the implementation is done right no one will notice. The network transparency will remain as good or better than before, so why all this hostility?

Probably because implementation are never "done right" at least at the beginning, so there will be some pain at the beginning.
And some like me thinks that improving the toolkits would give much more bang (improved user experience) for the buck (development effort and transition pain).

Plus Wayland developers say "we focus on the local case, but it's easy to add network transparency", which implies that they don't really care about network transparency and pretty much ensure that it'll stay a 'second class citizen' for a long time because other things such as input event handling are really, really difficult to do well..