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MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGoMeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGoPosted Nov 17, 2010 23:08 UTC (Wed) by martinfick (subscriber, #4455)In reply to: MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo by nix Parent article: MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
Do you really think that only the western world lives in cities, that 2 billion people in China and India live in villages, and they can't afford more than one cell phone a piece? Is our anti China/India propaganda machine that strong?
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MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo Posted Nov 18, 2010 16:27 UTC (Thu) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]
No: of course there are a billion or so right there. But fifteen billion as a total figure given only a billion new users is a ludicrous combination, no matter how you slice it.
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo Posted Nov 18, 2010 17:41 UTC (Thu) by martinfick (subscriber, #4455) [Link]
6 billion people, leave 1 billion unconnected, so suppose 5 billion have 3 connected devices each -> 15 billion. Doesn't seem so ludicrous to me.
Possible sources of an average 3 devices a person (note that he did not say wireless): 1 home PC, 1 work PC, 1 laptop (work or home), 1 smartphone, 1-2 tablets, 1 set top box, 1 home automation device (sprinklers, thermostat...), 1 in car device...
You don't have to agree to this vision, but I would hardly say that it is a ludicrous claim. Someone in his position has to make an estimate, what's yours?
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo Posted Nov 18, 2010 20:44 UTC (Thu) by jzbiciak (✭ supporter ✭, #5246) [Link] Right, but the original statement said 1 billion new users to go with those 15 billion connected devices, not 5 billion total users: Over the next few years, there will be one billion new internet-connected users and 15 billion connected devices, Fisher said. The assertion was that 15 billion total devices is comical even if you add 1 billion new users. To get to 5 billion total users adding only 1 billion new users, that means you need 4 billion users today, which sounds a bit high. Even if you assume there are 1 billion users today (which I don't think there are), that only gets you to 2 billion. Suppose we round it to around 10 connected devices per person. (This assumes 1.5 billion people connected, new and existing. It's also a nice, round number.) That's a lot of devices. Per person, you'd need something like this to get to 10 devices: a cell phone, laptop, office phone, TV, automobile, dishwasher, refrigerator, game system, home management system (ie. lights/security/temperature) and utility monitoring system (ie. smart meter). Per person. That seems a bit much.
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo Posted Nov 19, 2010 1:17 UTC (Fri) by martinfick (subscriber, #4455) [Link]
Maybe you should lookup some facts before your ridicule his prediction (and be certain that you understand his statement):
> Even if you assume there are 1 billion users today (which I don't think there are), that only gets you to 2 billion.
This article claims ~2 billion users connected today:
http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm
Interestingly enough, Asia has more connected users than the western world ~825M, but there penetration is only 21%, and in North America it is 77%. So, if you simply bring Asia up to %50 penetration, you would have already added close to 1 billion users (50% of today). That would be 3 billion, since 6b - 3b = 3 billion left to grow, 1 billion growth may in fact be low, conservative, actually.
Now, lets look at devices, this article claims 5 billion devices already:
http://www.circleid.com/posts/internet_connected_devices_...
5b devices with 2b users, an average of 2.5 devices per user.
Now, let's assume that all the current users only double their device usage (I would expect more). That would make 5b x 2 = 10b devices, close enough certainly to not make his claim ludicrous. Add 50% more Asian users to the equation at the same device rate, and boom 15b devices! Not far fetched at all. Again, this seems conservative to me, and it arrives at his estimate.
I have a feeling that users will actually do more than doubling their devices. Internet devices have typically been in the $500-$1000+ range. They are approaching the $100 on the low end now, this is a massive difference and will likely easily more than double the current # of devices per user and could greatly impact penetration also.
Given some facts, show me logic that would make his prediction seem ludicrous.
> Right, but the original statement said 1 billion new users to go with those 15 billion connected devices, not 5 billion total users:
No, while he could mean what you think he means, it would be a small leap to assume that. I don't read it that way. I do not think that he associated the 1 billion new users with those 15 billion connected devices. I believe those were two independent predictions, related only in context, not a strict causation. I could be wrong about my interpretation, but clearly it is a valid one given that sentence, and (as you would likely agree) it certainly makes more sense given the numbers.
After reading this article, I suspect that his prediction was by 2015. Note, that the Ericsson CEO thinks that there will be 50b connected devices by 2020:
http://gigaom.com/2010/04/14/ericsson-sees-the-internet-o...
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo Posted Nov 19, 2010 4:27 UTC (Fri) by jzbiciak (✭ supporter ✭, #5246) [Link] Well, it certainly makes more sense when you actually show your work. :-) As Carl Sagan once said, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. While this was more simply counterintuitive than extraordinary, it's still much easier to accept and understand now with references.
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo Posted Nov 19, 2010 4:31 UTC (Fri) by jzbiciak (✭ supporter ✭, #5246) [Link]
And to be clear, I wasn't the one ridiculing the prediction. I merely said that "yeah, it seems like a bit much." I'm just saying a claim like that earned a [citation needed] tag.
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