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Global menuGlobal menuPosted Oct 26, 2010 3:32 UTC (Tue) by bojan (subscriber, #14302)In reply to: Global menu by drag Parent article: Shuttleworth: Unity shell will be default desktop in Ubuntu 11.04 (ars technica)
> It's much easier to hit menus at the top the screen.
Yeah, that's what they've been selling. Not buying.
There are buttons to click in my app, which I can click just fine. So, I can click the menu there just fine too (context ones even better!). I don't want to drag my mouse all the way to the top (acceleration or not), only to drag it back into the app. It's just silly.
PS. This is especially annoying on a really big, high resolution screen.
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Global menu Posted Oct 26, 2010 4:07 UTC (Tue) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]
Well if you wanted to be really quick with the menus then you can just use alt-f, alt-e and all that sort of thing.
Global menu Posted Oct 26, 2010 4:56 UTC (Tue) by bojan (subscriber, #14302) [Link]
Yeah, but then I'd have to put my hand on the keyboard... :-)
Global menu Posted Oct 29, 2010 20:19 UTC (Fri) by salimma (subscriber, #34460) [Link]
Believe it or not, not on a Mac -- the menus are not keyboard-navigable by hot keys.
Global menu Posted Oct 29, 2010 21:19 UTC (Fri) by foom (subscriber, #14868) [Link]
They actually are, but the interfaces are designed so that you shouldn't need to use the menu at all if you know the operation. Instead, use an assigned shortcut key.
That's another reason why it doesn't really matter that the menubar is at the top, even if you have : essentially all the menu items you'd want to use frequently are assigned shortcuts. And if you use it frequently, you'll remember that shortcut.
(BTW: the secret key to move focus to the menubar is Control-F2 by default; you can find and/or change it in the "Keyboard Shortcuts" item in System Preferences. Once the focus is on the menubar, by pressing that key or by clicking, you can move around with the cursor keys.)
Global menu Posted Oct 26, 2010 19:43 UTC (Tue) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]
I think the argument is meaningful, *if* you have a conventional mouse, where huge low-precision drags are really easy. Unfortunately netbooks tend to have trackpads, where huge low-precision drags are essentially impossible...
Global menu Posted Oct 26, 2010 20:18 UTC (Tue) by foom (subscriber, #14868) [Link]
...maybe your trackpad driver is broken or misconfigured? My trackpad uses cursor acceleration, just like a traditional mouse does.
If I drag my finger slowly all the way from one side to the other of the trackpad, I get maybe 20% across the screen. But if I move it quickly even halfway across the trackpad surface, the cursor moves all the way from one edge of the screen to the other. So it's just as easy to hit the side of the screen as it is with a mouse. Easier, perhaps, since you don't need to move your hand as far.
Global menu Posted Oct 27, 2010 0:02 UTC (Wed) by bojan (subscriber, #14302) [Link]
> So it's just as easy to hit the side of the screen as it is with a mouse. Easier, perhaps, since you don't need to move your hand as far.
And then you have to go back to the app. Which is now far away and not at the edge which would stop you. So, when you accelerate, you cannot really hit that spot that you wanted easily.
Global menu Posted Oct 28, 2010 21:43 UTC (Thu) by oak (subscriber, #2786) [Link]
It's really designed for smaller screens where your apps are all fullscreened (as on Maemo like an earlier commenter stated)...
Global menu Posted Oct 31, 2010 12:18 UTC (Sun) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]
The problem is that trackpads are just too small. If I move my finger fast enough to cause acceleration, I have no control at all over where the bloody thing will end up. So I generally disable or at least drastically tone down acceleration.
If you run with acceleration on, maybe this is useful -- but then as far as I'm concerned the rest of the screen is much harder to reach (don't move your finger too fast! oops, now the mouse pointer is who-knows-where).
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