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2003 Kernel Summit: Closing Session
Linus talked about one thing that worries him: the linux-kernel list. It works well from a technical standpoint, but it has become, at times, so hostile that people are afraid to post there. Linus says he used to be amused by linux-kernel flaming ("Al Viro is a work of art"), but that it is no longer funny. He asked the kernel developers to be aware of how they treat people on linux-kernel and try not to push people away. It was asked whether linux-kernel should be split into separate lists for the stable and development kernels. It was noted, though, that it is already hard enough to keep patches for the two branches in sync; separating the discussions would make things worse. Daniel Phillips noted one thing that went very right with 2.5: Andrew Morton. The comment was accompanied by general applause. One thing that is not right is that many drivers - especially out-of-tree vendor drivers - have not been ported to 2.6. The suggestion was made that 2.6.0 should be released soon - even if it's not entirely stable - so that the vendors would pay attention to it. The sense seemed to be, however, that an unstable 2.6.0 would not help the situation at all. A good thing in 2.5 was the adoption of BitKeeper, which made things better even for the developers who do not use it. A not-so-good thing is the large volume of 2.4 patches which still have not made it into 2.6. Linus asked that important patches - security patches in particular - be marked so that they don't get dropped. Dave Jones, who worked on bringing 2.4 patches forward for a while, noted that the job gets overwhelming after a while and really requires more than one person to do it. One more good thing was the "what to expect" document maintained by Dave Jones. For 2.7, Linus noted that there really are not a whole lot of pressing issues at this time. "It's kind of scary, but it's good." Most of the developers are not too worried about finding things to do. Ted Ts'o noted the long release cycles in 2.4, and asked whether things couldn't be tightened up, complete with "feature freezes," for 2.6. Andrew thought that could probably be done. Andrew also stated that he wanted to be able to get more ambitious changes into 2.6 than have made it into 2.4 so far. In response to a question from Linus, though, he noted that replacing the entire VM subsystem in 2.6.9 is not in his plans. (Log in to post comments)
2003 Kernel Summit: Closing Session Posted Jul 23, 2003 7:56 UTC (Wed) by error27 (subscriber, #8346) [Link] Another good thing in 2.5 was Con Kolivas constant testing of the VM and the IO scheduler. It's nice to have numbers about latency and through put.The whole VM team did a terrific job... I was also very impressed with the USB work that went into 2.5.
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