Mageia - a Mandriva fork
| From: | Jerome Quelin <jquelin-AT-gmail.com> | |
| To: | Mandriva Cooker <cooker-AT-mandrivalinux.com> | |
| Subject: | forking mandriva | |
| Date: | Sat, 18 Sep 2010 18:31:50 +0200 | |
| Message-ID: | <20100918163150.GB6504@mongueurs.net> |
hi list, word is spreading fast: mandriva is being forked. from http://mageia.org - As you may have heard, the future of the Mandriva Linux distribution is unclear. Most employees working on the distribution were laid off when Edge-IT was liquidated. We do not trust the plans of Mandriva SA anymore and we don't think the company (or any company) is a safe host for such a project. Many things have happened in the past 12 years. Some were very nice: the Mandriva Linux community is quite large, motivated and experienced, the distribution remains one of the most popular and an award-winning product, easy to use and innovative. Some other events did have some really bad consequences that made people not so confident in the viability of their favourite distribution. People working on it just do not want to be dependent on the economic fluctuations and erratic, unexplained strategic moves of the company. ** Forking Mandriva Linux? Yes. Forking an existing open source project is never an easy decision to make, and forking Mandriva Linux is a huge task. It was not an impulsive decision. We all spoke a lot before: former employees, Cooker contributors and users' communities. We collected opinions and reactions in the past weeks as we needed to get some kind of global agreement and to gather, before going ahead. We believe a fork is the best solution and we have decided to create a new distribution: Mageia. ** New grounds. Mageia is a community project: it will not depend on the fate of a particular company. A not-for-profit organization will be set up in the coming days and it will be managed by a board of community members. After the first year this board will be regularly elected by committed community members. This organization will manage and coordinate the distribution: code & software hosting and distribution, build system, marketing, foster communication and events. Data, facts, roadmaps, designs will be shared, discussed through this organization. We will discuss and lay down details in the coming days. Mageia distribution will be what the board makes it to be, with the help and contribution of the whole community. We already have ideas and plans for this distribution; we want to: . make Linux and free software straightforward to use for everyone; . provide integrated system configuration tools; . keep a high-level of integration between the base system, the desktop (KDE/GNOME) and applications; especially improve third-parties (be it free of proprietary software) integration; . target new architectures and form-factors; . improve our understanding of computers and electronics devices users. You certainly have your ideas too. We will take the time to share these. ** Community. We understand the Mageia community as: . users, . makers (designers, developers, packagers, translators, testers, etc.), . advocates. Those can be individuals, organizations, companies from all over the world. There are challenges here; so many countries, so many languages, so many cultures, so different needs. And that's great. We've seen with the Mandriva Assembly experiment that it's not an easy task. We believe we can make it better yet. ** People. Whatever you do in life, people are your greatest and only true asset. And Mageia aims to help people. Trust matters. We are only at the very beginning of this fork. It won't be easy. But we believe it to be necessary. Ahmad Samir (ahmad78) - Mandriva contributor (bug triage team, packaging) Anne Nicolas (ennael) - former Mandriva employee (was packaging, release manager, community management) Anssi Hannula (Anssi) - Mandriva contributor (packaging, translations) Arnaud Patard (rtp) - former Mandriva employee (was kernel hacker) Christophe Fergeau (teuf) - former Mandriva employee (was urpmi, drakxtools, rpm, gcc, ...) Colin Guthrie (coling) - Mandriva contributor (Pulse Audio, packaging) Damien Lallement (dams) - former Mandriva employee (was QA manager) Erwan Velu - Mandriva contributor (packaging, hardware enabling) Félix Martos - Blogdrake admin Guillaume Rousse (guillomovitch) - Mandriva contributor (packaging, mirror tools) Jérôme Quelin (jq) - Mandriva contributor (Perl, packaging) Michael Scherer (misc) - Mandriva contributor (build system, Python, packaging) Nicolas Vigier (boklm) - former Mandriva employee (was working on build system, packaging, mandriva research projects) Olivier Blin (blino) - former Mandriva employee (was Drakxtools, installer, Perl, boot, ...) Olivier Mejean (goom) - French users community Olivier Thauvin (Nanar) - Mandriva contributor (packaging, mirrors) Pascal Vilarem (maat) - French users community Romain d'Alverny (rda) - former Mandriva employee (was information system manager) Séverine Wiltgen (sevalienor) - former Mandriva employee (was professional support, server stack) Thierry Vignaud (tv) - Former Mandriva employee and contributer (Drakxtools, installer, Perl, packaging) Thomas Backlund (tmb) - Mandriva contributor (kernel hacker, translations) Wolfgang Bornath (wobo) - German users community For other contributors: if you want your name to be added to the list, indicating that you plan to follow the fork, let us know on IRC channel, or by email. Next. We are looking for many different things in the next days: . hardware for code hosting, build servers + datacenters to host these servers; . developers, contributors, translators, testers to invest into the development of Mageia; . counsels on building the organization and its processes, etc. Your help and support will be very much appreciated. thank you for reading this far, and hoping to see you follow us. jérôme -- jquelin@gmail.com
Posted Sep 18, 2010 17:37 UTC (Sat)
by branden (guest, #7029)
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Wow--I remember when this characteristic was a major problem with Debian, not an essential feature.
Good luck, guys.
Posted Sep 18, 2010 18:37 UTC (Sat)
by elanthis (guest, #6227)
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by anshulajain (guest, #70172)
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Posted Sep 19, 2010 8:19 UTC (Sun)
by ofeeley (guest, #36105)
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Do you have an factual comparison for that statement? If not then it would be nice not to repeat this often stated but unsupported rumor. Quite possibly you are not running yum against its cache (ie you are downloading repository metadata each time).
Back to the topic: good luck to the ex-Mandriva people. They've helped the rpm ecosystem a lot.
Posted Sep 22, 2010 13:45 UTC (Wed)
by buchanmilne (guest, #42315)
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Yes, using 'yum -C search' or 'yum -C list' is quicker. But, then you can't use 'yum -C install'. So, if you want to install a package, which you *know* has all the required meta-data cached, yum will *always* download the new meta-data, and in many cases, waste more traffic doing that, than downloading the package and its dependencies.
However, besides some defaults which can be turned off with plugins, I still find yum's conflict/obsoletes resolution very poor, compared to urpmi and smart. Since on package renames (e.g. when an upstream project has to change their name, due to fork or trademark issue), on Mandriva usually use provides/conflicts/obsoletes, rebuilding these packages for Fedora/RHEL/CentOS results in working packages, but yum mostly can't figure them out, so for me, use of yum is often in the role of 'download the package from the repo for me, so I use rpm to do the upgrades'.
Posted Sep 22, 2010 14:26 UTC (Wed)
by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946)
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Since Fedora uses provides/conflicts/obsoletes all the time and yum can figure out just fine, this statement requires a specific reference.
Posted Sep 19, 2010 9:58 UTC (Sun)
by jengelh (guest, #33263)
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What exactly is confusing, or is it just a limitation of the user? And if you have more than 6 repos, something is usually going wrong.
Posted Sep 19, 2010 11:16 UTC (Sun)
by Darkmere (subscriber, #53695)
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Suddenly it's way more than 6 already, just to try two browsers and have a working flash?
Sorry, I'll bite here and say that "If you have more than 20 you probably have issues" but 6 ought to be standard faire.
Posted Sep 19, 2010 11:38 UTC (Sun)
by jengelh (guest, #33263)
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by anandrajan (guest, #146)
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by jengelh (guest, #33263)
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by anandrajan (guest, #146)
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by jengelh (guest, #33263)
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by anandrajan (guest, #146)
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Posted Sep 20, 2010 5:25 UTC (Mon)
by MKesper (subscriber, #38539)
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I'd imagine that something like this might be an optimal use for gentoo, wouldn't it?
Posted Sep 23, 2010 15:34 UTC (Thu)
by cowsandmilk (guest, #55475)
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I want gcc 4.5, I want KDE 4.5, I need the science, Education repos, libdvdcss has its own repo for some reason, I have a couple OBS repos from people who do research in the same area as me and keep the software up to date. It quickly adds up.
Posted Sep 20, 2010 13:23 UTC (Mon)
by SEJeff (guest, #51588)
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Perhaps 2 years ago I'd have agreed with you. The facts are that svidal and team did a lot of work to improve the speed of yum. Some people still don't get that "yum update" is equivalent to "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade". If you want something equivalent to "apt-get upgrade" or perhaps "apt-get dist-upgrade" try "yum -C update".
Posted Sep 18, 2010 18:56 UTC (Sat)
by drag (guest, #31333)
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They had a interesting window manager concept made when Xorg got enough of it's act together to allow composited graphics for the first time, but that was the last time I saw anything come out of it.
Posted Sep 18, 2010 20:34 UTC (Sat)
by sfeam (subscriber, #2841)
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Things I have been impressed with over the years. Let's see...
I've tried SuSE a couple of times and found it roughly compable, but I didn't install those machines myself so I don't have any feel for the pain or ease of configuration, setup, and maintenance. If Mageia fails, I'll probably look at SuSE more seriously. Ubuntu? Tried it at home; not particularly impressed.
Posted Sep 19, 2010 7:00 UTC (Sun)
by salimma (subscriber, #34460)
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If there are any issue with the GCC we ship, we'd obviously want to hear about it and get it fixed. Please let us know at bugzilla.redhat.com
(Disclaimer: I'm a Fedora contributor, but I don't maintain GCC; my view reflects my experience periodically fixing some of the C++ apps that we maintain to comply with these stricter newer versions -- at every release starting with 4.3.0)
Posted Sep 19, 2010 18:11 UTC (Sun)
by sfeam (subscriber, #2841)
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Posted Sep 19, 2010 19:18 UTC (Sun)
by eru (subscriber, #2753)
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There is also the unofficial PLF repository for Mandriva that gives an easy way to load all the multimedia codecs, decss etc that the distro does not date to ship itself. For other distros this kind of thing does not seem to exist, or is scattered among many repositories. At one point they tried to extend PLF to Ubuntu, but that apparently died for lack of volunteers.
Excellent multi-language support.
Cannot comment on other languages, but at least Mandriva has the best Finnish localization of any distro I have looked at, and I also noticed the Mageia announcement web page was already in multiple languages (Finnish included). If they can keep it up, it would be a distinct advantage outside the English speaking world. Geeks the world over can live with an English-only OS, but if you want "normal" people to seriously consider Linux for their daily use, it must speak their native language, and follow other local conventions flawlessly. In this matter distributions developed mostly outside the U.S. have an edge.
Posted Sep 20, 2010 6:17 UTC (Mon)
by salimma (subscriber, #34460)
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*Ahem* RPMFusion does the same for Fedora. I'll grant you that PLF came first though :)
Posted Sep 20, 2010 6:38 UTC (Mon)
by sitaram (guest, #5959)
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by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946)
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by eru (subscriber, #2753)
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by dmacvicar (guest, #55231)
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Posted Sep 24, 2010 6:34 UTC (Fri)
by eru (subscriber, #2753)
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Yes, SUSE Studio is fun (addictive, even...). Actually, it is the only way I have tasted SUSE so far, playing with creating a custom one-CD distribution. The boot in browser feature does not work too well if your keyboard does not have U.S. layout, and also is jerky, so I have not used it lately. But a nice demo anyway.
Posted Sep 22, 2010 13:56 UTC (Wed)
by buchanmilne (guest, #42315)
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On Mandriva, all your needs should be satisfied by the distribution repos (main,contrib,non-free) with different states (release,updates,backports), and if necessary, PLF.
Proliferation of repos is not a requirement for a good selection of packages. But, regarding zypper vs 6 repos, almost all Mandriva users probably have at least 6 repos anyway, with over 20 000 unique (but counting subpackages) packages.
Posted Sep 22, 2010 14:26 UTC (Wed)
by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946)
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by ariveira (guest, #57833)
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by cdmiller (guest, #2813)
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Posted Sep 18, 2010 19:18 UTC (Sat)
by tonyblackwell (guest, #43641)
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(We are currently still well served in Mandriva maintenance by a much smaller number of surviving Mandriva employees and our thanks to their ongoing work in trying circumstances).
Of course the distribution doesn't "just work" without a lot of input - guess we'll all have to pitch in and contribute to Mageia where we can, help it to grow without the previous economic model.
Posted Sep 19, 2010 2:42 UTC (Sun)
by zeke123 (guest, #60445)
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Im sad for Mandriva, happy for Mageia (love the name) but also wonder if I will even bother.
Good luck to the separatistas and dont forget, it doesnt matter how good your distro is technically, that is NOT the reason it will become popular. All the extra curricular stuff that gathers 'buzz' is what does it. Your non-technical crews will have to do overtime in spreading the word in the english web. You can be as successful as Novell (hehe, humour is always good!) but if its not in english, les maudit anglais wont know about it.
As opposed to when Chicken Little aka SJVN called for his KDE3 fork in his hysterical panic attack, this fork makes sense from what little ive been able to gather on the topic. But Mandriva news in the english media is few and far between (the last time I think it was actually a topic was when Adam left mandriva and when the company backed out of LinuxTag I believe).
I think community involvement is primordial to a successful distro and no, OpenSuse/SUSE/Novell is NOT a good example. It is quite the opposite.
Your move Mageiatistas.
Posted Sep 22, 2010 3:57 UTC (Wed)
by rickmoen (subscriber, #6943)
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How is this going to be any different from PCLinuxOS
My notes say:
Rick Moen
Posted Sep 22, 2010 14:38 UTC (Wed)
by buchanmilne (guest, #42315)
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Actual community involvement (IMHO, real involvement in Mandriva was easier than PCLinuxOS, or, please show me public VCS for packages ...), and no reliance on any single entity for its survival.
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AFAIK, not yet, mainly because previous contact by the Mandriva community was rejected by the PCLinuxOS folk (Texstar was given a Mandriva contributor account, but AFAIK didn't ever commit any changes). However, other projects which do care more about upstream contribution (such as Unity Linux) have been contacted and have been involved in some of the discussions.
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IMHO, your current "successful offshoot" isn't sustainable without Mandriva, or at least the community of contributors who maintain the vast majority of packages. Since Texstar removes all changelogs and most comments from all packages (including all the packages I maintain in Mandriva's "main" repository), even ones he doesn't modify at all when syncing with Mandriva, you probably haven't noticed that yet.
Posted Sep 19, 2010 6:29 UTC (Sun)
by Duncan (guest, #6647)
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But one of the things I've learned since then is what a difference a community vs company distribution makes. Community is what makes FLOSS FLOSS, Linux Linux and what makes a distribution what it is, and no company can really do the same thing. I'm really happiest contributing my part toward a community distribution, and I expect that's where I'll always be.
So I'm glad to see this community based fork. I'm personally happy with Gentoo, loving the power and choice it gives me, but of course I have friends. I look forward to the time Mageia's the community distribution I'm recommending to those who find a binary distribution more appropriate than the Gentoo I'm using. =:^)
Posted Sep 19, 2010 19:12 UTC (Sun)
by DonDiego (guest, #24141)
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Posted Sep 20, 2010 6:27 UTC (Mon)
by AdamW (subscriber, #48457)
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Posted Sep 20, 2010 6:42 UTC (Mon)
by sitaram (guest, #5959)
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You're going to jump back in, at least once in a while, for old-times sake? Most people remember you (I know I do!)
[sorry for using LWN for this, but it *is* on-topic in the sense that Adam experienced what he just said above, a lot earlier, and it wasn't clear why too.]
Posted Sep 20, 2010 21:07 UTC (Mon)
by xorbe (guest, #3165)
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Posted Sep 21, 2010 16:12 UTC (Tue)
by nye (subscriber, #51576)
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Posted Sep 22, 2010 13:59 UTC (Wed)
by buchanmilne (guest, #42315)
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by eru (subscriber, #2753)
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Posted Sep 23, 2010 10:30 UTC (Thu)
by nye (subscriber, #51576)
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I know this sounds flippant but I'm actually fairly serious about the point. I find it very frustrating trying to read about something when I keep stumbling over the word in my head.
Posted Sep 24, 2010 6:23 UTC (Fri)
by eru (subscriber, #2753)
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I know this sounds flippant but I'm actually fairly serious about the point. I find it very frustrating trying to read about something when I keep stumbling over the word in my head.
Posted Sep 24, 2010 14:16 UTC (Fri)
by mpr22 (subscriber, #60784)
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by jiu (guest, #57673)
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Posted Jul 1, 2011 12:12 UTC (Fri)
by brunces (guest, #76178)
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The developers say you can pronounce it as you wish, but if you want to pronounce it correctly as it is, say:
/mah-JEE-ah/
MA = MAH - as in "mother", "Mariah".
Portuguese, my native language, comes mostly from latin and greek. We have the word MAGIA which is pronounced the same way as in Greek and means the same too: MAGIC.
I hope this is useful. Cheers.
brunces
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1. The best control center for configuration- the MCC
2. Probably the best package manager for RPM distros- urpmi (sorry yum is slow as hell and zypper is confusing when clubbed with multiple repos)
3. A KDE which is on as good as, if not better than openSUSE
4. Still the best distro for a newcomer to Linux.
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Quite possibly you are not running yum against its cache (ie you are downloading repository metadata each time).
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rpmfusion
google-chrome
spot-chromium
adobe
firefox-nightly
official/updates/updates-testing ....
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6 it is for openSUSE: (oss, non-oss, update, contrib, packman, and 1 "free" to choose in case you _do_ miss something). 7 is also still ok iff you need it, but in most cases you don't. If you do, it's a sure sign your package(s) of desire should be included in the base distribution in the next release. (Short of any _development_ fluff like firefox-nightly or packages where the legal section has problems with.)
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In Debian, you have the possibility to use backports. While probably not that cutting-edge as Factory, you can get a stable system and some fresh applications on top of it. Mageia - a Mandriva fork
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2. Probably the best package manager for RPM distros- urpmi (sorry yum is slow as hell and zypper is confusing when clubbed with multiple repos)
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I have found Mandriva to be much more suitable on the machines used in my academic research group than either RHEL or Fedora. It has also been excellent on my personal machines. There are many other research groups here that do use RHEL or Fedora, so I have had pretty good opportunity over the years to compare the ease of use and the suitability for the field of application. The goals, policies, and default system configuration for RHEL are, I assume, chosen to match a more corporate environment in which the bulk of the users are not highly computer literate and don't need to do things like compile code, manage tape (in the old days) and other external media stores, evaluate and run large scientific codes developed elsewhere, etc. On the other side, too many things in Fedora were just plain broken. Part of what drove us to Mandriva (then Mandrake) was bad experience with subtly broken compiler versions that were the default, perhaps only, ones provided by Redhat. When your video doesn't work, at least you know it immediately. When your scientific code breaks because of a bad compiler version, you may not realize it until much later. This is really bad. So basically we don't trust the quality control in Fedora.
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* Multimedia "just worked" for many years, until premature adoption of PulseAudio broked everything in sight. That was a rare failure of quality control in choosing what made it into the default distribution.
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What's the equivalent place/places for OpenSUSE? (In case I decide to jump ship, availability of "underground" repositories is one deciding factor in picking a distro)
And SUSE?
Packages and images/products are created by the community in the most advanced "self-serving" build service available (including web front end as well as command line tools). It can build not only for openSUSE but also for Mandriva, Fedora, Debian, etc.
The resulting packages, repositories and images are searchable. Also they can be accessed as raw repos.
The Packman project contains multimedia pieces that can't go into the openSUSE hosted build service.
And, worth to mention, you can also create your own spins/derivates with SUSE Studio and even boot them in your web browser.
And SUSE?
you can also create your own spins/derivates with SUSE Studio and even boot them in your web browser.
And SUSE?
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PCLinuxOS
How is this going to be any different than PCLinuxOS?
Was there any contact with this well known Mandriva fork?
Why should I leave a successful offshoot for a brand new one?
Your PR/Marketing/social media people have one hell of a job waiting them.
I look forward to seeing le logiciel libre getting a new boost of life.
"zeke123" wrote:
PCLinuxOS
rick@linuxmafia.com
PCLinuxOS
How is this going to be any different than PCLinuxOS?
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Was there any contact with this well known Mandriva fork?
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Depending on what happens with Mandriva itself (e.g., one outcome is that it could become a downstream project), Texstar may be forced to cull his SRPMS from Mageia anyway.
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(Feel free to compare some SPEC files from <a href="http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/pclinuxos/apt/pclinuxos/2010/SRP...">PCLOS's SRPMS</a> to those in <a href="http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/packages/">Mandriva svn</a> if you don't believe me)
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Why?
Why?
Why?
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How would you pronounce it as a Finnish word?
I'm afraid I cannot explain it to you without sending an audio file, or by using the international phonetic alphabet, which I am not skilled with. All I can do is to try to explain why Finnish-speakers do not have the stumbling problem you describe. I assume your native language is English, which is well known for having an especially context-dependent (and sometimes irregular) relationship with letters and sounds. Finnish is at the other end of spectrum, it is written nearly phonetically, most of the time letters and sound values map 1-1. If a foreign or invented word like "mageia" does not contain letters that are never used in Finnish, and does not have unreasonable sequences of consonants (vowels are OK, we like them), it has an unique Finnish pronunciation. Both "Mandriva" and "Mageia" are easy cases for this rendering. For real foreign words, this pronunciation often has little relationship with how the foreigner would say it, but it makes remembering the word easier, and the spelling can be communicated to another Finn verbally.
As soon as a constructed word becomes obviously-not-even-trying-to-be-English, I rapidly revert to something approximating "Latin phonetic values filtered through the Anglophone vowel-reduction habit". The IPA for Mandriva and Mageia, uttered by me, works out roughly as [mændɹi:və] and [mægejə].
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GEI = JEE - only /jee/, without the sound of "D", I mean, not /djee/ as in "Jeep". (this is the stressed syllable)
A = AH - like the indefinite article, not /ay/ as the letter in the alphabet.
