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LinuxCon Brazil: Q&A with Linus and AndrewLinuxCon Brazil: Q&A with Linus and AndrewPosted Sep 1, 2010 0:40 UTC (Wed) by jordanb (guest, #45668)Parent article: LinuxCon Brazil: Q&A with Linus and Andrew
What crappy article. There's nothing here that anyone who reads LWN won't have known for years, besides some silly fluff.
I know it wasn't you asking the questions, Jon, and Jim Zemlin did about as well as I'd expect from him. But a zero-content Q and A isn't news just because it's Linus and Andrew up on the stage.
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LinuxCon Brazil: Q&A with Linus and Andrew Posted Sep 1, 2010 0:54 UTC (Wed) by ncm (subscriber, #165) [Link]
How exalted our standards have become.
It's nice to have an article to direct newbies to that isn't years old.
LinuxCon Brazil: Q&A with Linus and Andrew Posted Sep 1, 2010 3:00 UTC (Wed) by jordanb (guest, #45668) [Link]
I wouldn't direct newbies to it, as the writing is sub-par for Jon's standards too. Do we really need to know that Jim gave gushing bios of Linus and Andrew or that there was an ovation at the end? That bit reads more like corny grade-school writing ("What I did on my vacation to Brazil") than that of an accomplished journalist.
Seems like Jon knew the material sucked, so he was phoning in the article.
LinuxCon Brazil: Q&A with Linus and Andrew Posted Sep 3, 2010 3:18 UTC (Fri) by niv (subscriber, #8656) [Link]
It's an article newbies and some of us oldies enjoyed reading. Perhaps the person to be directed away is yourself, jordanb? What else can one say to a reader who berates a journalist for writing about events the reader has no interest in?
I, for one, give thanks to Jon and Jake and everybody responsible for making LWN an outstanding journalistic institution (a rarity in their profession, these days), and for being of consistently exceptional value to the Linux Community.
We're damned lucky to have them.
LinuxCon Brazil: Q&A with Linus and Andrew Posted Sep 5, 2010 21:09 UTC (Sun) by Lennie (subscriber, #49641) [Link]
I don't know about anyone else, but I was also hoping for some new content.
LinuxCon Brazil: Q&A with Linus and Andrew Posted Sep 5, 2010 21:13 UTC (Sun) by Lennie (subscriber, #49641) [Link]
Let me add I was actually hoping for much more. Kinda like the Google Tech Talk about git. I think it was Linus best talk or interview, atleast that I've seen.
LinuxCon Brazil: Q&A with Linus and Andrew Posted Sep 1, 2010 3:32 UTC (Wed) by shapr (guest, #9077) [Link]
I enjoyed the article, I'm interested in the motives of the kernel developers, and their advice on getting into kernel coding.
I love the tech, but I like to know about the people as well.
LinuxCon Brazil: Q&A with Linus and Andrew Posted Sep 1, 2010 8:18 UTC (Wed) by rilder (subscriber, #59804) [Link]
I doubt the article or the discussion for that matter was meant to be a technical one. It was more of general discussion on the direction of Linux kernel project and such.
LinuxCon Brazil: Q&A with Linus and Andrew Posted Sep 1, 2010 12:19 UTC (Wed) by Hanno (guest, #41730) [Link]
I liked the article and, sorry, don't like your comment.
LinuxCon Brazil: Q&A with Linus and Andrew Posted Sep 1, 2010 13:26 UTC (Wed) by richardr (subscriber, #14799) [Link]
+1 - bizarre, unnecessary abuse. I enjoyed the article. I've been reading LWN for years, but I've never met any of the main kernel guys and hearing what they sound like in what passes for real life is interesting, whether you consider it to be fluff or not. Everything doesn't have to be about mutexes and memory management to be worth reading...
LinuxCon Brazil: Q&A with Linus and Andrew Posted Sep 1, 2010 13:46 UTC (Wed) by MisterIO (guest, #36192) [Link]
I liked this soft article, though I wouldn't like to see many of the same kind.
A little notice:
Is that an insult? :)
"Those people are some of the richest in the world."
Well, give them the noble prize in economics, but that doesn't say much about their merits in IT.
LinuxCon Brazil: Q&A with Linus and Andrew Posted Sep 1, 2010 22:49 UTC (Wed) by kragil (guest, #34373) [Link]
I don't know about Andrew, but I guess if Linus sold some of the stocks he got in 2000 at the right time he is probably a millionaire.
The added benefit from having billions instead of millions is very very small in real life. Linus probably could buy a bigger house or an old jet fighter or something, but maybe he just doesn't need those things.
People can be totally happy when they have love, security and a bigger purpose in life. No billions needed.
LinuxCon Brazil: Q&A with Linus and Andrew Posted Sep 2, 2010 9:58 UTC (Thu) by zzxtty (subscriber, #45175) [Link]
It's genuinely nice to see successful people not chasing money. I sometimes feel like I'm broken because I don't senselessly chase the stuff the way society makes me feel I should.
LinuxCon Brazil: Q&A with Linus and Andrew Posted Sep 3, 2010 15:20 UTC (Fri) by giraffedata (subscriber, #1954) [Link] Bear in mind that the phrase "same level as Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Larry Ellison" in the context of the sentence before it doesn't mean the same level of goodness or respectability. It means the same level of influence. Well, give them the Nobel prize in economics, but that doesn't say much about their merits in IT. Astute, but then I didn't see any implication of merits in IT in what Jim said -- he mentioned only influence. And it was pure puffing. Linus doesn't have even close to the influence of those people. Their money alone, even without their positions, lets them change the world and affect people far more than Linus can. But giving them credit for their positions, Steve Jobs was (I presume) instrumental in changing the way people listen to recorded music and making tablet computers real. No patch Linus could have rejected would affect the world like that.
LinuxCon Brazil: Q&A with Linus and Andrew Posted Sep 5, 2010 22:13 UTC (Sun) by Tet (subscriber, #5433) [Link] Steve Jobs was (I presume) instrumental in changing the way people listen to recorded musicThat's a tough call. The ipod was far from the first such device to market. At best, you could say Jobs popularized the product for the mass market (largely due to good UI design and superior marketing).
LinuxCon Brazil: Q&A with Linus and Andrew Posted Sep 5, 2010 22:55 UTC (Sun) by giraffedata (subscriber, #1954) [Link] That's a tough call. The ipod was far from the first such device to market. At best, you could say Jobs popularized the product for the mass market (largely due to good UI design and superior marketing).Ah, but that's exactly the point I'm trying to make. I'm distinguishing between invention and influence. Whoever made the first stored music player, or the first ten, didn't have much influence. People kept listening to tapes and CDs. Good UI design and superior marketing, if Jobs effected those, make him influential. But even if he had nothing to do with that, merely recognizing the potential and investing Apple money and reputation in building and selling millions of them would make Jobs highly influential. And the fact that history shows this wasn't a fluke and he could well do it again lets me put Jobs' influence in the present tense. And that's a level of influence Linus and Andrew simply don't have.
LinuxCon Brazil: Q&A with Linus and Andrew Posted Sep 7, 2010 12:40 UTC (Tue) by wookey (subscriber, #5501) [Link]
This is probably the most interesting point in the article.
What it actually says is a great deal about the difference between Free Software and proprietary software, or more accurately, between copyleft and copyright. The latter allows/causes enormous concentration of resources (wealth) when something is very successful, whilst the former doesn't, and as such could be deemed to be a more efficient use of resources overall. (It probably doesn't benefit the world much that Larry has such a huge yacht).
It's a complex question, because _some_ concentration of resource is useful for 'getting things done' (see 'popularising digital media players' below), but when it becomes excessive it ceases to be a benefit (overall). On the other hand the super rich do sometimes get useful things done that otherwise aren't getting done (see 'deep flight' submersibles, and contributions of messrs Fosset and Branson). Is that sort of thing a sufficient benefit to justify the general inequity of the model?
No doubt economists write books about this stuff.
LinuxCon Brazil: Q&A with Linus and Andrew Posted Sep 1, 2010 16:35 UTC (Wed) by PaulMcKenney (subscriber, #9624) [Link]
I liked this article. Perhaps not much new, but it felt very good to read it nevertheless. Of course, I am even more of a newbie than is Andrew Morton, so your mileage may vary. ;-)
LinuxCon Brazil: Q&A with Linus and Andrew Posted Sep 1, 2010 20:42 UTC (Wed) by boog (subscriber, #30882) [Link]
I enjoyed reading the article. Round here Linus and Andrew are celebrity, and I occasionally like to read an interview with the stars.
LinuxCon Brazil: Q&A with Linus and Andrew Posted Sep 2, 2010 2:36 UTC (Thu) by cmccabe (guest, #60281) [Link]
I thought the article was well written. I agree that it didn't contain much new information, but it didn't fluff up the material. It seemed like a reasonable short summary of a meeting that wasn't that technical.
LinuxCon Brazil: Q&A with Linus and Andrew Posted Sep 7, 2010 5:06 UTC (Tue) by augustz (subscriber, #37348) [Link]
Liked the article.
Already know the content, but it is nice to cover something like this. Linus is a key player in the linux space and is not often out at conventions. This clearly wasn't intended to be a hard hitting tech talk, but covers good ground for new folks. I found it direct and to the point.
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