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Neary: GNOME Census

Posted Jul 28, 2010 22:10 UTC (Wed) by AlexHudson (subscriber, #41828)
In reply to: Neary: GNOME Census by gouldtj
Parent article: Neary: GNOME Census

Given the discussion here:

http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2010-Fe...

.. it seems one could equally characterise the "bunch of Fedora devs" (well, at least one) being the ones bringing up the libappindicator work in the first place and trying to find out if it was usable within GNOME. Having read through that thread, and the subsequent external module proposal, I had difficulty locating the blowtorches you speak of.

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Neary: GNOME Census

Posted Jul 28, 2010 22:34 UTC (Wed) by gouldtj (subscriber, #48027) [Link]

Alex,

I have never seen a discussion on DDL over API. I have never seen the API of an external dependency taken into account for its acceptance. In general, I've never seen anyone care about the API of an external dependency on DDL. It seems like a pretty exceptional conversation. Obviously the whole development wasn't behind closed doors as, for instance, Collin was aware of it and started the discussion.

In the end, if there is a communication issue let's solve that and not start the discussion with "X doesn't do Y" -- which I realize I was just as guilty of as anyone else. Though, I would like there to be some awareness within Red Hat that, on the other side, it definitely feels like "special" treatment is given to Canonical contributions. I could be entirely wrong about that. I hope I'm entirely wrong about that. I hope that understanding that there are people feeling that way can help to make the situation better.

Ted

Neary: GNOME Census

Posted Jul 29, 2010 7:07 UTC (Thu) by AlexHudson (subscriber, #41828) [Link]

Sure, but hang on, the API was in the discussion but the reasons it was rejected was that it didn't integrate with gnome-shell for gnome 3, nothing in gnome 2 uses it and there was an open question about how it could/should integrate with Gtk+.

Let's be realistic, this same scenario will play out again: either with "Windicators", or with any of the other fundamental UI work that's happening in Ayatana, disconnected from the GNOME stuff. And it's diverging further and further from the vision for GNOME 3. If that's where Canonical wants to go, that's fine though - like I said earlier, I think people need to get over it.