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Neary: GNOME CensusNeary: GNOME CensusPosted Jul 28, 2010 20:39 UTC (Wed) by gowen (guest, #23914)In reply to: Neary: GNOME Census by jspaleta Parent article: Neary: GNOME Census
Gnome-shell won't work on unaccelerated video hardware. The Gnome devs have said this bug will not be fixed. That makes it unsuitable for much low end hardware, including very many netbooks.
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Neary: GNOME Census Posted Jul 28, 2010 20:41 UTC (Wed) by jspaleta (subscriber, #50639) [Link]
Have you looked at Unity it has the same problem as its also based on clutter.
-jef
Neary: GNOME Census Posted Jul 29, 2010 11:17 UTC (Thu) by cortana (subscriber, #24596) [Link]
Hmph. So much for continuing to use GNOME in my virtual machine.
Neary: GNOME Census Posted Jul 29, 2010 18:50 UTC (Thu) by foom (subscriber, #14868) [Link]
It seems like it probably will be fixed sometime soon, by the work people are doing to make Mesa's software rendering stack not suck.
Neary: GNOME Census Posted Jul 29, 2010 19:00 UTC (Thu) by jspaleta (subscriber, #50639) [Link]
Anyone do the commit analysis for mesa yet? Wouldn't it be great to find out Which corporate entities are actively working on making mesa not suck? Considering that both gnome-shell and unity are relying on the same hardware requirements as mandated by clutter.
-jef
Neary: GNOME Census Posted Aug 1, 2010 22:16 UTC (Sun) by drago01 (subscriber, #50715) [Link]
OK, this might be a bit late but your comment does not make any sense.
Being "low end" hardware does not imply no hardware acceleration, in fact any recent pc hardware (as in produced in the last 5 years; which includes netbooks), does have a GPU capable of hardware acceleration.
We don't require a "high end" NVIDIA or AMD/ATI card with 1TFlop+ of computing power.
If it does not work on your netbook it is either
So "it does not work on low end hardware and they won't fix it" is just wrong.
Neary: GNOME Census Posted Aug 2, 2010 0:14 UTC (Mon) by foom (subscriber, #14868) [Link]
> in fact any recent pc hardware (as in produced in the last 5 years; which includes netbooks), does have a GPU capable of hardware acceleration.
Sure, it's there...but in many cases it's unusable with Linux, because there's no working driver. Sure that's a "driver issue", but it's still a problem. It doesn't look to me like it'll be feasible to depend on hardware 3D working on all linux desktops anytime soon.
Of course, so long as clutter/mutter/gnome-shell works at a reasonable speed with software-only unaccelerated 3D, that's great too...
Neary: GNOME Census Posted Aug 3, 2010 16:18 UTC (Tue) by drago01 (subscriber, #50715) [Link]
> Sure, it's there...but in many cases it's unusable with Linux, because there's no working driver. Sure that's a "driver issue", but it's still a problem. It doesn't look to me like it'll be feasible to depend on hardware 3D working on all linux desktops anytime soon.
Not sure about the "many cases" (cn), but you can't solve problems by running away from them anyway, the solution is to _fix_ 3D, it is not a hardware issue we just need proper drivers.
If nobody uses 3D because it "doesn't work", no one will fix it because "no one uses it".
We can no longer consider 3D as a "nice to have" feature given recent and future hardware developments; we have to take advantage of the hardware we have.
Neary: GNOME Census Posted Aug 4, 2010 17:32 UTC (Wed) by nwnk (subscriber, #52271) [Link]
I'm curious what netbooks you think exist that don't have 3D hardware.
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