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Same old story, only in a different community...
Posted May 17, 2010 13:32 UTC (Mon) by Lionel_Debroux (subscriber, #30014)
See, it's not out of sheer pleasure that I'm posting here. There's a goal. I'm doing this because for the common good of both of our communities, and for his own sake, there _needs_ to be a change in Kevin's behaviour. Kevin needs to be taught many lessons about human behaviour, respect and cooperativeness. Not to mention common sense - he complains about the FESCo lacking common sense, but well...
Drawing lines between people, trolling on redundant topics and thought exercises not backed by significant facts (here, what would happen if Fedora's update process became more conservative or less conservative) is no good. We're talking about FLOSS here, a model where federating people towards a common goal is important. Kevin _needs_ to use his time and skills (as I already wrote, he _is_ capable) in a much more useful way. Adam Miller, too, wrote him something along those lines.
But given that nearly 10 years of conflicts (with, once in a while, explanations on how to improve his behaviour coming from multiple persons, as I've stressed) in the TI communities haven't fixed Kevin's behaviour, and that he's using the same kind of ways in the Fedora community, I feel that remaining mute is at best inefficient, at worst damaging. We TI community left Kevin the chance of a fresh start with a different set of people - but was it the best thing we could have done, after all ?
I know first-hand what it takes to radically alter behaviour. As I mentioned above, I did it myself, after finding out about a number of facts (IRC chan logs, etc.) that shed a very different light about the respective behaviour of Kevin and the others (compared to the way Kevin presented, or hid, those facts). The results of acknowledging my errors and fixing my behaviour (working collaboratively with more people, being hated by many less persons, etc.) have been highly positive. Seriously.
I don't have such pride as thinking that my several posts in that thread will yield significant changes. But at least, I'll have _tried_ to open a few more eyes...
The thing is, we TI community know Kevin much better than you do. Kevin's bright side comes to sight first, but sooner or later comes the dark side. For one example, Kevin made the feat of getting banned from the main TI-68k French-speaking message board, due to severely impolite and insulting behaviour of publicly rejoicing about a database problem and wishing that the message board would not come back online. What made that disrespectful comment even more crazy was that he attended that message board a lot...
It's extremely hard to get banned from there, even polluting dozens of topics with redundant trolls doesn't make the cut. And needless to say, during his ban, which was lifted later, the tone on that message board was much more civil...
Posted May 17, 2010 13:35 UTC (Mon) by corbet (editor, #1)
Posted May 17, 2010 15:37 UTC (Mon) by skvidal (subscriber, #3094)
Why yes! I do like irony, don't you?
Posted May 20, 2010 14:52 UTC (Thu) by sdalley (subscriber, #18550)
Posted May 20, 2010 15:45 UTC (Thu) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946)
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