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Fedora, Mozilla, and trademarksFedora, Mozilla, and trademarksPosted Apr 28, 2010 23:25 UTC (Wed) by TRS-80 (subscriber, #1804)Parent article: Fedora, Mozilla, and trademarks Ubuntu is going the other direction, with plans to "Use in-source libraries rather than system libs" and eliminate users of xulrunner by porting them to webkit. So much for XUL being a platform - Mozilla's Firefox focus has backfired.
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Fedora, Mozilla, and trademarks Posted Apr 29, 2010 1:13 UTC (Thu) by joedrew (guest, #828) [Link]
The in-tree versions of our libraries are the best tested, both in terms of performance and correctness. Linking to arbitrary versions of Cairo, for example, can cause regressions in any number of areas, in ways that we can't predict because our hundreds of thousands of tests haven't been run against Mozilla + that particular library.
Fedora, Mozilla, and trademarks Posted Apr 29, 2010 2:14 UTC (Thu) by TRS-80 (subscriber, #1804) [Link] Why can't distributions run those tests themselves? I know the Debian maintainer wants to, given his bugs about the testsuite not being freely licensed.I'd forgotten that LWN had covered this topic so recently in Applications and bundled libraries. Jake did link it in this article, but only as a single word talking about a FESCo member's position so I skipped over it, probably thinking it was another mailing list post.
Fedora, Mozilla, and trademarks Posted Apr 29, 2010 2:52 UTC (Thu) by joedrew (guest, #828) [Link]
They can! And, as you note, Mike Hommey is moving towards doing so for Debian, at least for our unit tests (getting reliable perf data would be involved at the minimum you'd need the same machines we have running our perf tests. But it's doable!). And I'm sure that passing all our tests would give the folks involved in making the trademark decisions a lot of faith in the changes distributions have made!
But without that, and a commitment to keep running the tests (when you upgrade a library from under Mozilla, you have to make sure you keep things working!), justifying using an external library is a lot harder.
Fedora, Mozilla, and trademarks Posted May 9, 2010 20:34 UTC (Sun) by damentz (guest, #41789) [Link]
This has happened with Iceweasel already; I've needed to pull from the Firefox ppa on Ubuntu because Iceweasel crashes more frequently for unexplainable reasons and is out of date more often than not.
Fedora, Mozilla, and trademarks Posted Apr 29, 2010 1:26 UTC (Thu) by The_Barbarian (subscriber, #48152) [Link]
Posted by TRS-80:
>Ubuntu is going the other direction, with plans to "Use in-source libraries rather than system libs"
Well, I can't say that such a decision surprises me, coming from Canonical. They can be almost as silly as Mozilla.
Fedora, Mozilla, and trademarks Posted Apr 29, 2010 9:14 UTC (Thu) by dmitrij.ledkov (subscriber, #63320) [Link]
http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=chromium-browser
I wonder why that was uploaded, when system-libs & copyrights are not yet compltly sorted out. I bet it's aimed at replacing firefox.
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