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Follow up: Ubuntu looking to get rid of notification tray in a year.Follow up: Ubuntu looking to get rid of notification tray in a year.Posted Apr 21, 2010 21:22 UTC (Wed) by jspaleta (subscriber, #50639)Parent article: Shuttleworth: Ubuntu's Indicator Menus
http://design.canonical.com/2010/04/notification-area/
"Our roadmap is that in Ubuntu 11.04, one year from now, there will be no notification area. And in Ubuntu Netbook Edition, well remove it even earlier, in 10.10. So if you develop an application that uses the notification area, and you want the millions of Ubuntu users to be able to use it, now is the time to change it."
So there you have it. Before even having libappindicator being blessed as an external dep for the GNOME component, they are telling application developers they can no longer depend on a standard gnome component being available in Ubuntu's version of GNOME desktop.
And to boot, they are using the estimated userbase size to strong arm developers into doing it there way..instead of using the standard GNOME upstream functionality. An estimate they REFUSE to provide a publicly stated methodology for.
Yippie for a commitment to upstream collaboration.
-jef
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Follow up: Ubuntu looking to get rid of notification tray in a year. Posted Apr 21, 2010 23:40 UTC (Wed) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]
Jef,
having something on the roadmap for a year out doesn't mean that it will absolutly happen.
now if you were to say that libappindicator was hitting heavy opposition or had been rejected from the GNOME project, then you may have a case to make.
but if it's in the process and just hasn't yet received final blessing, but looks like it's on track to get it, then planning that in a year it will be blessed and they intend to use it as their standard seems very reasonable.
Follow up: Ubuntu looking to get rid of notification tray in a year. Posted Apr 22, 2010 0:02 UTC (Thu) by jspaleta (subscriber, #50639) [Link]
Have you read the public discussion in the gnome-desktop-list archives over the proposal? I have. I certainly will not handicap how the vote for inclusion will go because I'm not a mind reader. But I have my concerns.
I'll reiterate just one of the concerns in the discussion I saw. How does this fit into the gnome 3 roadmap? I haven't seen an answer to that question that seems to be satisfactory to anyone. Not in the gnome desktop-devel-list, not in gnome-shell-list not in the ayatana list, not in the gtk+ list. Without a solid answer to that question does a vote for inclusion make sense?
-jef
Follow up: Ubuntu looking to get rid of notification tray in a year. Posted Apr 22, 2010 0:23 UTC (Thu) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]
no, I am not subscribed to every mailing list for opensource projects (the kernel mailing list keeps me in reading material by itself ;-)
but nothing in your prior post indicated if there were problems with that or not, just that that library had not yet been accepted.
people were complaining that they weren't talking about what they were planning, now they give their plans for a year out and your are complaining that not all of the things that they will need to do in the meantime have been completed.
Follow up: Ubuntu looking to get rid of notification tray in a year. Posted Apr 22, 2010 1:04 UTC (Thu) by ewan (subscriber, #5533) [Link] but nothing in your prior post indicated if there were problems with that or not, just that that library had not yet been accepted.I'd have thought the chief concern wouldn't be that Ubuntu may use a component that isn't a part of standard Gnome (and KDE) but that they are trying to encourage developers to avoid a cross desktop standard component that is. Aside from the effect on their own desktop, if successful that effort threatens to reduce the use of a very nice standard for everyone else.
Follow up: Ubuntu looking to get rid of notification tray in a year. Posted Apr 22, 2010 13:56 UTC (Thu) by ovitters (subscriber, #27950) [Link] Without a solid answer to that question does a vote for inclusion make sense?The lack of integration with gnome-shell was raised by me (release team member). If there is no plan, there is only one way the release team will vote regarding the inclusion.
Follow up: Ubuntu looking to get rid of notification tray in a year. Posted Apr 22, 2010 16:44 UTC (Thu) by jspaleta (subscriber, #50639) [Link]
Was libappindicator specifically discussed at the Usability hackfest that Canonical partly sponsored as a candidate technology to integrate with gnome-shell?
That seems like the obvious face-to-face opportunity to hold that discussion.. and yet I've seen no communication from any one in attendance that suggested app indicator implementation that Canonical is working on right now was talked about in the scope of GNOME 3 design...at all. Among all the posts about task pooper, nothing about libappindicate.
I've read over as much of the post hackfest testimonials that I can find, and the post-hackfest threads in gnome's gtk+-devel-list and I'm not seeing it mentioned as a technology brought up for discussion. If I've missed something relevant to the hackfest discussion that pertains to libappindicator, please someone point me to a published discussion.
Is there any post-hackfest communication not archived in the references located here:
Anything publicly archived post-hackfest testimonial from a Canonical employee perspective who was in attendance?
-jef
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