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Posted Apr 13, 2010 3:54 UTC (Tue) by Kit (guest, #55925)
For that matter, what *audio* codecs does the video tag support anyways? I'd assume it's currently Vorbis/Theora and AAC/H264, but what would VP8 be paired with?
Posted Apr 13, 2010 7:52 UTC (Tue) by njs (guest, #40338)
That said, even if they do release VP8, I can certainly see benefits to putting resources into both it and Theora. "But there's nothing out there in VP8!" "Yeah, but there is in Theora, you can use that." "But Theora isn't as good as H.264!" "Yeah, but VP8 is, you can use that." Repeat until critics are dizzy and confused. (I'm joking... I think?)
Presumably VP8 would be paired with Vorbis? Does anyone even have any real complaints about Vorbis?
Posted Apr 13, 2010 8:12 UTC (Tue) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313)
"Google is an evil monopoly pushing their solution on everyone else" or words to that effect.
supporting both, while running the risk of fragmentation between the two options also means that if anything happens with one of them people still have the option of using the other.
Posted Apr 13, 2010 13:43 UTC (Tue) by SEJeff (subscriber, #51588)
VP8 will be open-sourced, but it'll not end the debate
Posted Apr 14, 2010 6:46 UTC (Wed) by khim (subscriber, #9252)
I'm pretty sure speech-writers in both Apple and Microsoft are investigation right now the ways to present refusal of VP8 as boon to the users. We'll be interesting to see what they cook up - what I'm not expecting is acceptance of the free codec.
Posted Apr 14, 2010 12:06 UTC (Wed) by SEJeff (subscriber, #51588)
Users will freak out if youtube stops working. Where else will they find videos of dogs skateboarding?
Posted Apr 13, 2010 13:35 UTC (Tue) by bawjaws (guest, #56952)
Will they release VP6 and 7? The former is supported in Adobe Flash and the latter is used in Skype. VP8 isn't used anywhere yet, therefore backwards compatibility is moot, so will Google rewrite the spec to suit their own particular needs and plans? Have they had time to do that yet, or are they just going to announce what they're planning to do over the next few years?
Despite many geeks focussing on the simplistic comparisons of complex and tricky benchmarks, the business relationships are going to make or break any new codec just like they have done for MPEG codecs. Are the patent worries real or is that just a convenient smokescreen for companies that have decided to throw their lot in with MPEG because there isn't corporate-friendly competitor? I guess we'll find out.
My personal guess is that freeing VP8 as-is would only make sense if they convince Adobe to roll out support in Flash. Otherwise they'd be best playing the long game and getting a royalty-free standard based on it passed by ISO or whoever.
There's some good analysis of what freeing VP8 would involve here:
Regarding your question on Vorbis, I believe it's the only real candidate for such a role, it is technically very good and I've seen people who are incredibly paranoid about video patents have no issue with it. I'm surprised more fuss wasn't made about this at the time it was removed from the spec. It appears that on the web audio only matters if accompanied by video.
Posted Apr 15, 2010 0:57 UTC (Thu) by kjp (subscriber, #39639)
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