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What's up with the Ubuntu hating?What's up with the Ubuntu hating?Posted Apr 8, 2010 18:35 UTC (Thu) by orabidoo (guest, #6639)Parent article: Ubuntu switches search back to Google
What on earth is with all this knee-jerk criticism of Ubuntu, at every single time they do anything?
I'm not particularly a fan of Ubuntu (my allegiance, as far as there is one, is with Linux in general, and even more generally open and unix-like systems), but from where I stand, it sure looks like the Ubuntu folks are the most active, at the moment, in improving the Linux experience.
Which means fixing problems (as in the 100 papercuts project), and also trying new things. Of course not everything they try is going to turn out to be good, but so far I'd say their track record is fairly good, with Upstart, the new notification system, integration of 3d effects, and yes, even the switch to PulseAudio (which apparently didn't originate with Ubuntu anyway, but people still yell at them for it).
Obviously they need to find ways to fund their company... can't really blame them for that, and so far I don't see any of their commercially motivated changes to be a problem. The switch to Yahoo Search would have been just a slight annoyance that gets changed in all of 2 seconds, and they just reverted it.
So personally I'd rather be constructive and give the benefit of the doubt to things that people try, whether it is Ubuntu or Fedora or GNOME or Debian. One of the beauties of Open Source is that things that turn out to be bad ideas get quickly reverted, or someone comes up with an easy way to change them.
PS: note to the Ubuntu folks: get someone else to write your announcements. Sounding like a big bad impersonal machine (a la Apple) is not the right tone.
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What's up with the Ubuntu hating? Posted Apr 9, 2010 0:34 UTC (Fri) by endecotp (guest, #36428) [Link]
> What on earth is with all this knee-jerk criticism of
> Ubuntu, at every single time they do anything?
Yes. I must say, LWN often sounds like the "WeHateUbuntu Weekly News" these days. This doesn't seem like a good direction to go in.
What's up with the Ubuntu hating? Posted Apr 9, 2010 16:31 UTC (Fri) by bronson (subscriber, #4806) [Link]
I'm confused. This article is a mailing list message direct from Canonical. Do you disagree with LWN's posting it?
Or, if you're talking about comments elsewhere, then I'm not sure how you would think that LWN has any control over the direction they go in. Do you think they should be censored?
What's up with the Ubuntu hating? Posted Apr 9, 2010 4:14 UTC (Fri) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]
"yes, even the switch to PulseAudio (which apparently didn't originate with Ubuntu anyway, but people still yell at them for it)."
That's because of
What's up with the Ubuntu hating? Posted Apr 9, 2010 10:01 UTC (Fri) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]
Ah yes, a flame saying that a tiny kernel patch was missing but not identifying it (just go through all Fedora's kernel patches looking for the likely one, shouldn't be hard, should it?), and randomly flaming Ubuntu for disabling an option which causes horrible syslog spam unless you have said patch installed. Obviously Canonical's telepathy helmet was broken that day.
(That the Ubuntu bug triagers actually *did* find the kernel patch is impressive.)
What's up with the Ubuntu hating? Posted Apr 10, 2010 6:08 UTC (Sat) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]
Nonsense. They were clearly informed of the patch.
What's up with the Ubuntu hating? Posted Apr 10, 2010 7:47 UTC (Sat) by hppnq (guest, #14462) [Link] And decided not to apply it. In the meantime, the patch was picked up in the mainline kernel, allowing Ubuntu to integrate rtkit with PA in a way that works for them.That it worked as intended in Fedora from the beginning should not be a huge surprise because the "Audio Terrorist" (???) is the main PA developer, works for Red Hat, is the Fedora maintainer and wrote the kernel patch. Even if you have every reason to point out that Ubuntu themselves prevented a painless integration of rtkit because, for instance, they choose to include non-free kernel modules -- I don't know about that, haven't followed it closely -- it would be good to realize that wherever there is integration, some kind of conflict is inevitable. Indeed, it happens all over the place. All that makes your comment to the OP's message and your follow-up somewhat ironic, especially given your affiliation with the Fedora project. That's not marketing, that's just creating noise. FWIW, like orabidoo I am not particularly favourable of any distribution. If I appear to defend Ubuntu it is because some people feel the need to pick on it without providing correct or logical arguments; I remember doing the same for Red Hat ten years ago.
What's up with the Ubuntu hating? Posted Apr 10, 2010 17:23 UTC (Sat) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]
If non-upstream patches from a single distribution caused issues for them, they should take responsibility for it. We are not talking about one instance and one time happen stance here. So yeah, no marketing. Let's stick to the facts. Coordinating such things with upstream is a important part of distribution integration.
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