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Shuttleworth: Shooting for the Perfect 10.10 with Maverick Meerkat

The next Ubuntu development cycle, evidently, will be called Maverick Meerkat. "This is a time of change, and we're not afraid to surprise people with a bold move if the opportunity for dramatic improvement presents itself. We want to put Ubuntu and free software on every single consumer PC that ships from a major manufacturer, the ultimate maverick move. We will deliver on time, but we have huge scope for innovation in what we deliver this cycle. Once we have released the LTS we have plenty of room to shake things up a little. Let's hear the best ideas, gather the best talent, and be a little radical in how we approach the next two year major cycle."
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Shuttleworth: Shooting for the Perfect 10.10 with Maverick Meerkat

Posted Apr 2, 2010 14:55 UTC (Fri) by jwb (guest, #15467) [Link]

Maybe they'll move the title bar to the bottom of the window.

Shuttleworth: Shooting for the Perfect 10.10 with Maverick Meerkat

Posted Apr 2, 2010 15:14 UTC (Fri) by sharms (subscriber, #57357) [Link]

For some reason the anti window button movement uses the same strategy as the anti US healthcare
movement, and expects people to listen to them. Odd.

Beating a dead horse, citing vague opinions, and offering nothing tangible or even remotely
quantitative leads nowhere.

Shuttleworth: Shooting for the Perfect 10.10 with Maverick Meerkat

Posted Apr 2, 2010 16:11 UTC (Fri) by error27 (subscriber, #8346) [Link]

It's like a sore tooth. Just let it go.

Shuttleworth: Shooting for the Perfect 10.10 with Maverick Meerkat

Posted Apr 2, 2010 16:40 UTC (Fri) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]

Yes. The USA constitution is the dead horse being beaten, apparently.

Our Government in action....

Problem:
Our USA health care system is out of control with expenses and whatnot. The reason this is happenning is because health care institutions are evil capitalists and are rasing premiums in a ugodly rate.

Solution:
Part A) Make it illegal not to purchase health care insurance from those corporations. Part B) Require insurance companies to pay out compensation to people that have health problems while not on insurance.

Results:
PRIOR to health care reform bill: Your group insurance premiums are expected to double in the next couple years. Individual insurance premiums rise at similar rate.

AFTER the health care reform bill:
Your group insurance premums are expected to double in the next couple years. Individual insurance premiums will rise 13% immediately then double in the next couple years.

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Why this is happenning...

Imagine your living in a city with 100 people. There is only enough food to feed 80 people.

So the cost of food rises until 20 people cannot afford it anymore and they begin to starve.

Our solution to solve this problem is require everybody to purchase food insurance and raise the premiums until there is enough money in the system so that those 20 people can now afford to purchase food again.

Now everybody has enough food because of food insurance!! Yay; the system works!

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The USA's health care economic system is one of the biggest economic systems in the entire world. It is bigger then most of the GDP of the countries in Europe... combined.

In terms of socialized medacine our USA system is already HEAVILY socialized. For example.. The U.K. Government spends about 15.8% of it's revenue on health. France: 14.2%, Norway: 17.9%, Canada: 17.7%, etc etc etc.

In the USA the amount of government revenue that goes to socialized healthcare (remember this is all PRIOR to the bill being passed) is 18.5%. Our government already spends more, as a percentage of revenue, then pretty much any other country in terms of socialized medicine. The raw amount of money is staggering.

Nobody... NOBODY, in our country gets turned away from a hospital because they don't have health care insurance. Anybody that says otherwise is a lier. You can come in here illegally from Iran full of cancer and TB and our health care system will STILL take care of you. And it'll get paid, not by government, but by the other customers of the hospital.

What is really happenning is that the USA government is staging the largest take over of a major economy in all of human history. In terms of dollars, in terms of percentage, in terms of everything... This is the biggest power and money grab in all of human history. Nothing else comes close. All of this is more expensive then the Revolutionary war, WW1, WW2, Vienam War, Civil War, Iraq, etc etc... COMBINED... In terms of today's dollars.

The rules and regulations being set up make it impossible for insurance to ever work. It's just stupid to think it is. Yet they are still requiring you, by law, to pay money to these 'evil' corporations.

Why? (a person may ask)

Because these corporations are facing a economic crisis and this is how the Democrates are saving their friend's asses. Sure it looks like they are doing good now because they have huge profits... but the profits are not that impressive if you compare it to just the raw amount of cash flowing through system. Just trillions and trillions of dollars.

So this is how the government is going to solve this... make the whole concept of health care 'insurance' a joke, and then finance those companies through a combination of several involentary payment plans.

They make it illegal for you not to purchase insurance and then on top of that they are going to raise your taxes. This means that your effectively being taxed twice and all of this extra money is going to be filtered through the 'insurance companies'.

Effectively, with government backing, being a health care insurance company becomes a purely profitable enterprise. Pure profits, no Risk. If you need money they will just print out more money for you in addition to the fact that you can raise premiums and people are required by law to pay you. You stop being a insurance company and simply become a money handler. You take the premiums and taxes and pay them out to hospitals. And then you take a 2-5% cut out of money your handling.

This health care bill is not really designed to solve our health care crisis... it's designed to create billionares. And with the health care bill it puts the political party in power firmly in control of who gets to access to these huge profits. The only risk insurance companies face is if they fail to pay the correct level of respect and money to whatever political party is in power.

Everything your being told by the Government about this health care bill and what it's goals and methods are... is a _lie_.

Shuttleworth: Shooting for the Perfect 10.10 with Maverick Meerkat

Posted Apr 2, 2010 16:56 UTC (Fri) by rsidd (subscriber, #2582) [Link]

I think you're on the wrong site. This site is about Linux.

Shuttleworth: Shooting for the Perfect 10.10 with Maverick Meerkat

Posted Apr 2, 2010 20:01 UTC (Fri) by yokem_55 (subscriber, #10498) [Link]

There are many, many, other fine forums for mental mastrub discussion of this interesting subject. www.dailykos.com or www.redstate.com are both fine educational sites that provide a much more robust debate environment than this one.

Shuttleworth: Shooting for the Perfect 10.10 with Maverick Meerkat

Posted Apr 3, 2010 1:09 UTC (Sat) by SEJeff (subscriber, #51588) [Link]

drag,

Normally your posts are excellent and often amusing. This one is not. Keep
the politics on slashdot and the tech on lwn. That is what makes this site
great.

Shuttleworth: Shooting for the Perfect 10.10 with Maverick Meerkat

Posted Apr 3, 2010 2:27 UTC (Sat) by PO8 (guest, #41661) [Link]

I thought the whole point of professionally-written articles, subscriber-only comments and editor discretion was to keep LWN from turning into Slashdot. Could this whole sub-thread (including my comment) be taken down, please? Thanks.

Shuttleworth: Shooting for the Perfect 10.10 with Maverick Meerkat

Posted Apr 9, 2010 9:58 UTC (Fri) by jschrod (subscriber, #1646) [Link]

And why do you think your rant is of interest to us? Look it up, moron, this is LWN.net, not Slashdot.

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Posted Apr 2, 2010 16:44 UTC (Fri) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]

I think that places the responsibility on the wrong side. If you make a particular change, without offering a good
explanation, you don't really expect others to justify it. The fact of the matter is, the explanation that it leaves
room on the right side is incomplete and makes it all sound rather mysterious.

Shuttleworth: Shooting for the Perfect 10.10 with Maverick Meerkat

Posted Apr 2, 2010 18:31 UTC (Fri) by ESRI (guest, #52806) [Link]

Kudos on the flamebait!

Shuttleworth: Shooting for the Perfect 10.10 with Maverick Meerkat

Posted Apr 8, 2010 13:18 UTC (Thu) by Cato (subscriber, #7643) [Link]

Please point out the usability testing done by the Ubuntu team to demonstrate why moving the windows buttons to the left is an improvement. A change that annoys users like this should have some tangible justification, just as GNOME and others have done usability testing for their changes.

And please stop using guilt by association as a rhetorical device, it's not very effective.

Note that I didn't compare you to an unpopular group at all...

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Posted Apr 2, 2010 15:21 UTC (Fri) by ableal (guest, #57174) [Link]

Moving it to the _side_ of the window (title bar, plus application tabs, buttons, menus, whatever) would be an innovative way of dealing with those 'widescreen' displays foisted on us nowadays ...

Design for wide screens please

Posted Apr 2, 2010 15:47 UTC (Fri) by mrjk (subscriber, #48482) [Link]

Yeah that is a pet peeve of mine. With all common distributions. (And Windows and OSX for that
matter) Why are all the default window manager options set with bars at the top and bottom of
screens. Since the screens are so wide now (too wide for me) I wish they were designed to be
vertical sidebars. You can switch some, but nothing is really engineered that way. Everything is
still set as if we have almost square screens.

Design for wide screens please

Posted Apr 2, 2010 16:11 UTC (Fri) by tzafrir (subscriber, #11501) [Link]

Give a shot to flwm. You'll proibably change your mind (about using vertical title bars).

Design for wide screens please

Posted Apr 2, 2010 18:00 UTC (Fri) by jengelh (subscriber, #33263) [Link]

xrandr --rotate should fix it ;-)

Design for wide screens please

Posted Apr 2, 2010 19:23 UTC (Fri) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

I tried and now I have neckache and everyone's wondering why I walk around
with my neck craned to one side. :)

Design for wide screens please

Posted Apr 2, 2010 19:29 UTC (Fri) by jengelh (subscriber, #33263) [Link]

You've looked at kernel.org too much on Apr 1.

Design for wide screens please

Posted Apr 3, 2010 0:58 UTC (Sat) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

Actually I didn't look at it then at all (I was too busy laughing over the
Unix-shell-prompt-with-added-adventure-game-in-Javascript which had
replaced the xkcd front page). What did they do? Turn it on its side? :)

Design for wide screens please

Posted Apr 3, 2010 8:46 UTC (Sat) by robertwall (guest, #64484) [Link]

It got flipped upside down. There's a mirror of it if you'd like some more neck cramps ;P

Design for wide screens please

Posted Apr 3, 2010 11:47 UTC (Sat) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

Nice. Needs a bunch of fonts I don't have though :)

Design for wide screens please

Posted Apr 3, 2010 18:00 UTC (Sat) by xav (subscriber, #18536) [Link]

My 24" monitor can turn 90°, and I sometimes use it like that. Believe me, it's as if the web was invented to be used in portrait mode ! Everything looks totally gorgeous like that.

Shuttleworth: Shooting for the Perfect 10.10 with Maverick Meerkat

Posted Apr 2, 2010 16:08 UTC (Fri) by kirkengaard (subscriber, #15022) [Link]

Back in the day I used FLWM under Gnome, which had side title bars. Even without a widescreen display, it made a difference because so much content is optimized for vertical scrolling.

Shuttleworth: Shooting for the Perfect 10.10 with Maverick Meerkat

Posted Apr 2, 2010 15:28 UTC (Fri) by pmikeal (guest, #49703) [Link]

I am a Christian, a female, and a big open source Linux geek who earns her bread as a sys admin. I checked out the link here to Shuttleworth's blog entry, and found some very very vulgar and rude comments posted at the top of it which objectified and insulted women. As a Christian and a women, I am very offended by this type of open rudeness in the open source community. Not in any other profession would I expect to see the founder of a company openly talking that way. I can't see Bill Gates posting such rude things on his blog.
We run an all Ubuntu shop. So, I am looking at this blog at work on a 30in monitor. Not something I want my users or my co-workers to come in and see on my monitor!
There has been a lot of talk lately about why there are not more women in the open source movement. Well, this is why!

Shuttleworth: Shooting for the Perfect 10.10 with Maverick Meerkat

Posted Apr 2, 2010 15:59 UTC (Fri) by doogie (subscriber, #2445) [Link]

Ok, I'll bite.

Are you saying that Mark has to perfect in *everything* that he may ever say at any point in time? Are you going to hold yourself to the same standard? He's human, just like the rest of us. Are you saying you Mark == Ubuntu? Where does the *software* end, and the man end? Isn't this all about the code?

I can look past all sorts of flaws, as long as what is produced it up to standards. Who cares how someone interacts, if what they give back is worthwhile?

Shuttleworth: Shooting for the Perfect 10.10 with Maverick Meerkat

Posted Apr 2, 2010 16:26 UTC (Fri) by fperrin (guest, #61941) [Link]

> Who cares how someone interacts, if what they give back is worthwhile?

Who cares how the software is licensed, if it is useful?

Yes, I care how someone interacts and what his opinions are, even if I only have a "utilitarian" relationship with him.

Shuttleworth: Shooting for the Perfect 10.10 with Maverick Meerkat

Posted Apr 2, 2010 16:13 UTC (Fri) by DOT (subscriber, #58786) [Link]

This list of comments?

* "It's as much about the girls in the port as the port in the girls."

I agree though, that's not appropriate.

Shuttleworth: Shooting for the Perfect 10.10 with Maverick Meerkat

Posted Apr 2, 2010 16:13 UTC (Fri) by dowdle (subscriber, #659) [Link]

You really have to elaborate on what offended you... in the article linked to by LWN (http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/336). The only thing I can imagine you might be referring to is the term "perfect 10"?

That doesn't necessarily just refer to women. Men can be graded on a 1-10 number scale with regards to their looks... and he was NOT talking about the physical attractiveness of a woman nor a man... but of an upcoming release of Ubuntu.

If that is what you are referring to, I believe you are being greatly over sensitive.

Shuttleworth: Shooting for the Perfect 10.10 with Maverick Meerkat

Posted Apr 2, 2010 16:35 UTC (Fri) by pmikeal (guest, #49703) [Link]

Sorry to be confusing, hehe, yeah, if it had only been the perfect 10 thing, it would have been oversensitive, but that wasn't what I was referencing. Another poster did post the exact content in another comment. So, it might make it more clear. It wasn't the only rude comment Shuttleworth made though. The rude comments are at the top of his blog, not part of the article content and so that is why I think you were confused about what content I was referencing as being rude.

Shuttleworth: Shooting for the Perfect 10.10 with Maverick Meerkat

Posted Apr 2, 2010 17:06 UTC (Fri) by pmikeal (guest, #49703) [Link]

I just want to make clear, that I was only talking about the comments concerning women and or relationships. Not *ALL* his comments were offensive. I guess lynx makes these more obvious than some of your other web browsers! :)

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Posted Apr 2, 2010 22:22 UTC (Fri) by bronson (subscriber, #4806) [Link]

They appear to have been deleted.

From the discussion here, it does sound like Ubuntu's SABDFL was in serious violation of Ubuntu's terms of conduct. Thats rather disturbing.

Shuttleworth: Shooting for the Perfect 10.10 with Maverick Meerkat

Posted Apr 2, 2010 22:30 UTC (Fri) by bronson (subscriber, #4806) [Link]

Arg, sorry. They're still there.

Yeah, I'd say SABDFL is way offtopic and definitely in violation of https://launchpad.net/codeofconduct/1.0.1

Mark needs to use a different twitter handle if he wants to spew this stuff, one that isn't associated with Ubuntu.

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Posted Apr 3, 2010 1:00 UTC (Sat) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

It was late Thursday night before a bank holiday: I wonder if alcohol was
involved? :)

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Posted Apr 6, 2010 11:09 UTC (Tue) by michaeljt (subscriber, #39183) [Link]

> It was late Thursday night before a bank holiday: I wonder if alcohol was
> involved? :)
He might remove them again though, now that (early Tuesday afternoon) the alcohol ought to
be gone again.

Shuttleworth: Shooting for the Perfect 10.10 with Maverick Meerkat

Posted Apr 3, 2010 0:51 UTC (Sat) by grantingram (guest, #18390) [Link]

It could also refer to scores in ice skating or gymnastics competitions... where ten is the maximum score.

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Posted Apr 2, 2010 16:33 UTC (Fri) by jmm82 (guest, #59425) [Link]

So I read the article twice and finally found the random tweets on the side linked to the account http://twitter.com/sabdfl. Is that even Mark twitter account, I don't even know or care. Probably, he IS crazy.

I guess I could see why that would be bothersome, but when did open source suddenly become politically correct anyways. I see all these articles lately how open source needs to get serious and we need to listen to our users(most of who don't pay and complain like crazy). The beauty of open source is, no it doesn't HAVE to get serious or be respected. Half the projects are maintained by people for fun. If you don't like the project there are five others just like it. Just because there is *a lot* of money to be made all of a sudden off off open source that does not require every person involved to be serious.

I agree those lines may be offensive if read by the wrong person, but I guess thats what happens when the owner of your company is spending tons of personal money on a product, gives it away for free, and does not really care what anyone thinks. Yeah Mark may be trying to make money in the long run, but I personally question if he really cares or not about making money.

You know what they say, "You get what you pay for." and In my four years using Ubuntu I have paid zero dollars, yet I am still paying Bill Gates license fess for 5 stickers to Windows which came with all my computers and I was forced to buy, yet never used.

I apologize for you being offended, but wanted to give the other perspective. If you want respect go buy a RHEL contract and I am sure someone will talk business-like to you. Or better yet switch to centos and get it for free.

Shuttleworth: Shooting for the Perfect 10.10 with Maverick Meerkat

Posted Apr 2, 2010 16:56 UTC (Fri) by flewellyn (subscriber, #5047) [Link]

There's a difference between not always being serious, and being disrespectful to people.

Shuttleworth: Shooting for the Perfect 10.10 with Maverick Meerkat

Posted Apr 2, 2010 17:06 UTC (Fri) by jmm82 (guest, #59425) [Link]

Agreed. Everyone has a different line between humor and respect. I will give you this one.

This is a great example of social networking plugins going astray and ones personal jokes and previously semi-private(does privacy exist on the internet anymore?) comments now accidentally(I believe it was an accident) appearing next to a serious blog post.

Shuttleworth: Shooting for the Perfect 10.10 with Maverick Meerkat

Posted Apr 2, 2010 19:02 UTC (Fri) by speedster1 (subscriber, #8143) [Link]

Yes, those terribly clever and insightful lines are coming from Mark's own twitter account:

'There is only one well defined decision making power
in Ubuntu: Mark Shuttleworth decides.
He documents this rather well on the main site:
http://ubuntu.com/community/processes/governance
"Mark Shuttleworth, as SABDFL, plays a happily undemocratic role".
SABDFL meaning "Self-Appointed Benevolent Dictator For Life". '

http://justwars.com/linux/ubuntu/

Shuttleworth: Shooting for the Perfect 10.10 with Maverick Meerkat

Posted Apr 2, 2010 16:44 UTC (Fri) by donbarry (guest, #10485) [Link]

I can see how you would feel objectified by the "port/girl" twitter. I'm
certainly no fan of Mark and his vanity distribution. At the same time, there is a
difference in taking offence between what you *are*, and what you *select*. To take
offense in "fun in fundamentalist" different -- it's an aside on an adopted
philosophy -- a legitimate comment, if not exactly an intellectual critique. If
we are to use political correctness to protect critique of intellectual positions,
we truly will have a dark age ahead. Many of us do feel that adult belief in
magical thinking and supernatural deities is akin the persistance of the quite similar belief
in the easter bunny and santa claus beyond infancy.

Shuttleworth: Shooting for the Perfect 10.10 with Maverick Meerkat

Posted Apr 2, 2010 16:58 UTC (Fri) by DOT (subscriber, #58786) [Link]

Fundamentalism is not necessarily about religious fundamentalism. In fact, this particular quote most probably is *not* about religion. It's about fundamentalism about software freedom. The quote basically says: we believe in free software, but we also want it to be fun.

None of the other quotes strike me as offensive, either. Except for the port/girl thing. That's just immature and, indeed, objectifies women.

Offensive is relative...

Posted Apr 3, 2010 1:12 UTC (Sat) by grantingram (guest, #18390) [Link]

The problem with offensive is that it is all rather relative to say the least, what is offensive to one person isn't to others.

For example I'm unsure whether you are being serious or not as Shuttleworth's twitter feed seems awfully bland. If you get worked up about that I'm not sure how you go about your daily business without permanent and possibly damaging indigestion. But then again I don't read the Daily Mail either - so each to their own.

The ultimate problem with trying to offend no-one though is that you end up doing nothing, achieving nothing and descending into a vortex of uselessness.

Shuttleworth: Shooting for the Perfect 10.10 with Maverick Meerkat

Posted Apr 3, 2010 10:51 UTC (Sat) by gravious (subscriber, #7662) [Link]

Is it the Christian part of you that you makes you so sanctimonious or the female part? Cuz if it's the
former then that's curable, otherwise your out of luck honey.

Shuttleworth: Shooting for the Perfect 10.10 with Maverick Meerkat

Posted Apr 3, 2010 13:10 UTC (Sat) by MisterIO (guest, #36192) [Link]

Wow, I love this comment!

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Posted Apr 3, 2010 14:29 UTC (Sat) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

Yes, it really makes LWN readers appear such pleasant and reasonable
people. The gratuitous 'honey' is particularly notable.

Shuttleworth: Shooting for the Perfect 10.10 with Maverick Meerkat

Posted Apr 3, 2010 16:54 UTC (Sat) by MisterIO (guest, #36192) [Link]

I know, in fact I didn't use some kind of logical argument, I just said that I love it. It's an instinctive reaction. I don't have anything against pmikeal's post. She argued in a very civil way, just stating her ideas. I can agree or disagree with them, but no problem at all. Though this is coming at a moment when similar objections(but much harsher, retarded and illiberal) have produced some of the most retarded bans and censorships ever heard of(look at the ban of certain kind of drawings in the US(_drawings_! how much retarded is that?!) and at the actions of groups like Equality Now). To disagree and dislike is completely acceptable, to ban any form of expression of ideas, thoughts and fantasies is plain _evil_!

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Posted Apr 7, 2010 19:26 UTC (Wed) by gravious (subscriber, #7662) [Link]

That 'honey' is a nice single word flourish, isn't it? I dithered for a good five minutes over its
inclusion or docking - to call it gratuitous is unfair sir, unfair!

Shuttleworth: Shooting for the Perfect 10.10 with Maverick Meerkat

Posted Apr 7, 2010 19:28 UTC (Wed) by gravious (subscriber, #7662) [Link]

And your comment gratifies me in return.

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Posted Apr 3, 2010 13:25 UTC (Sat) by oblio (guest, #33465) [Link]

Yay for trolls!

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Posted Apr 7, 2010 19:31 UTC (Wed) by gravious (subscriber, #7662) [Link]

Yay for me and my newfound troll-hood! Though the anti-Christian and male side of me should
really protest your wanton slur. Expect to hear from my legal advisor, soon.

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Posted Apr 4, 2010 2:23 UTC (Sun) by cas (subscriber, #52554) [Link]

Thank you for showing that Maverick Meerkat is the wrong name for the 10.10 release of Ubuntu.

it should be called Mountainous Molehill instead.

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Posted Apr 2, 2010 15:59 UTC (Fri) by ummmwhat (guest, #54087) [Link]

"Maverick Meerkat"

Why not Masturbating Monkey?

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Posted Apr 2, 2010 16:06 UTC (Fri) by corbet (editor, #1) [Link]

Perhaps because Mark finished high school a while back? Please, this kind of stuff does not help (or amuse) anybody; there are other sites out there where comments of this nature are better appreciated.

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Posted Apr 2, 2010 17:47 UTC (Fri) by SEMW (guest, #52697) [Link]

In ummmwhat's defense, his/her post was (I assume) a reference to Linus Torvalds' somewhat infamous criticism of the OpenBSD crowd a year and a half ago on lkml. (Which actually puts it among the more relevant comments in this thread...).

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Posted Apr 2, 2010 22:43 UTC (Fri) by branden (subscriber, #7029) [Link]

It's okay when Linus does it.

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Posted Apr 3, 2010 1:04 UTC (Sat) by ummmwhat (guest, #54087) [Link]

Yeah.

RMS can do much more than LBT.

Please be responsible and stay on topic.

Posted Apr 2, 2010 17:27 UTC (Fri) by tdwebste (guest, #18154) [Link]

I have never seen so many off topic comments!
---

No doubt Mark is facing significant opposition to recent GUI theme changes.
The interesting and sad fact to me is how he dealt with them. I don't think
it was the best for the community and it has left some hard feelings.

It is sad for ubuntu that these highly visible changes have put a bad face
on all the hard and good work ubuntu has done.

Please be responsible and stay on topic.

Posted Apr 3, 2010 1:20 UTC (Sat) by SEJeff (subscriber, #51588) [Link]

Everyone talks about community community community community. The problem
with this is that Mark / The Ubuntu Foundation / Canonical (likely in this
order) pay the large majority of $$$ for all things Ubuntu. Open source is
generally a meritocracy where the person doing the majority of work has the
majority of the say. 10,000 screaming monkeys aside, Canonical has made one
hell of a good distro overall. The people in the "community" who feel
wronged should spend 10 million of their own personal money, hire a bunch
of debian developers, and start a new distribution. Probability says they
probably won't do it better than Ubuntu has thus far. Ontop of all that,
Ubuntu wouldn't have gotten very far off the ground without the hard work
of the entire Debian community.

Satire aside, give the guy a break. He believed in something enough to put
the money where his mouth is. If you don't like him or don't like the evil
non-free nvidia drivers that in the end bring more people over to playing
with Linux, go use another distro. It isn't like anyone forces you to use
Ubuntu.

Please be responsible and stay on topic.

Posted Apr 3, 2010 12:35 UTC (Sat) by AndreE (subscriber, #60148) [Link]

There are so many off-topic comments because this is hardly newsworthy. We
all know the mindless moniker algorithm in use.

How to use ubuntu's 9.10 theme in lucid and future releases?

Posted Apr 2, 2010 18:09 UTC (Fri) by tdwebste (guest, #18154) [Link]

Needless to say I prefer ubuntu's themes before the recent changes.

I appreciate your help with using ubuntu's 9.10 theme in lucid and future
releases.

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Posted Apr 2, 2010 21:10 UTC (Fri) by ikm (subscriber, #493) [Link]

> Let's hear the best ideas, gather the best talent

And slap one large WONTFIX on top of it.

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Posted Apr 2, 2010 22:27 UTC (Fri) by bronson (subscriber, #4806) [Link]

best comment of the bunch.

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Posted Apr 3, 2010 4:30 UTC (Sat) by dmitrij.ledkov (subscriber, #63320) [Link]

Meery Meerkat (misspelled) was a name suggestion posted on Slashdot, commeting the first
release of Ubuntu.

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