Posted Mar 25, 2010 7:26 UTC (Thu) by jonas.bonn (subscriber, #47561)
Parent article: Ubuntu and window controls
On the periphery of the Linux community there is a rather large number of
"conservative bikeshedders". Each and every change that's introduced
within the field of vision of this group is met by essentially the same
response: screams of bloody murder!
Ubuntu has "innovated" by running the gauntlet of neighsayers release upon
release and emerged essentially unscathed. Ubuntu is a widely popular
distribution despite contentious features like fast-boot (Upstart), working
audio (Pulseaudio), desktop effects (Compiz), minimal configurability
(Gnome), and, now, a "fresh" look-and-feel.
This is not going to be the last change in Ubuntu so this is not the last
time we are going to be reading this particular article. What's next? I
suspect Zeitgeist integration on the top-right of the window, and we know
Gnome Shell is just around the corner. So six months from now, September
2010, LWN greets us with "Ubuntu and Zeitgeist" or "Ubuntu and Gnome Shell"
and the same cast of characters is once again lamenting the passing of the
"good old days."
The flipside is that it's likely the exact same group who would be
bemoaning the lack of innovation, the stagnancy of the distribution, if
these more visible changes were not being made... and then I'd be writing
this comment about the large number of "liberal bikeshedders" in the
community!
Posted Mar 25, 2010 9:43 UTC (Thu) by tzafrir (subscriber, #11501)
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Why introduce such changes on a beta? If you want to get them tested, get them in time for the alpha releases. You'll then get some useful feedback.
The users who suffer here are the ones who are actually expected to pay Ubuntu for support: the users of Ubuntu LTS.
Look what they've done to my oatmeal...
Posted Mar 25, 2010 15:13 UTC (Thu) by duanedesign (guest, #64177)
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I thought this was a refreshingly sane and interesting look at a subject I was tired of hearing about. Additionally the comments made by jonas seem right on.
Too often Open Source is judged successful if it produces a copy of a proprietary application. I am glad to see Open Source innovating. It makes sense to put the window controls on the left, IMHO. This is the location of a lot of programs menus as well as the aplication, places, and system menu. The forward and back buttons in Firefox and many comparable controls in other apps are also on the left. I have yet to accidentally close a window. I do not suffer from uncontrollable muscle memory. After using this set up for a week I have grown completely accustom to the change and do not miss the old location at all.
If they do move the controls back to the right I will likely run the command to move them to the left. I will also likely spend no time blogging and raising hell about how things are not exactly as I would want. I have found if your happiness is always based on only one particular outcome of a situation you will spend way too much time in life unhappy.
Look what they've done to my oatmeal...
Posted Apr 1, 2010 9:09 UTC (Thu) by yeti-dn (guest, #46560)
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There is some insight in the first three paragraphs, however this
The flipside is that it's likely the exact same group who would be bemoaning the lack of innovation, the stagnancy of the distribution, if these more visible changes were not being made... and then I'd be writing this comment about the large number of "liberal bikeshedders" in the
community!
is utter and total rubbish.
There are many conservatives like me who think distributions tend to play too much with fancy stuff instead of fixing problems and that they diverge too much from upstream. I have never complained about lack of innovation. Nothing is more annoying than when things that used to work stop working in the name of some bloody useless innovation. And there's nothing "bikeshed painting" on that.