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Who is Fedora for?Who is Fedora for?Posted Mar 11, 2010 16:15 UTC (Thu) by mmcgrath (subscriber, #44906)In reply to: Who is Fedora for? by tux1968 Parent article: Who is Fedora for?
> For myself, a long time Red Hat and Fedora user, the direction Fedora has been going caused me to jump ship and move to Ubuntu. There has been a long succession of Fedora decisions attempting to compete with Ubuntu at the expense of the original mission. IMHO, Fedora has undermined most of the reasons anyone should even choose it as their distribution of choice. They've just turned themselves into a poor Ubuntu clone.
So in your view, you didn't like that Fedora was becoming more like Ubuntu. So you moved to Ubuntu...
Also Fedora itself hasn't made any decisions to compete with or be more like or more dislike Ubuntu. The problem is we've got hundreds of contributors all working towards different un-unified goals. Some may be working towards something more like Ubuntu, but certainly not everyone is, possible not even most are.
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Who is Fedora for? Posted Mar 11, 2010 19:01 UTC (Thu) by ajross (subscriber, #4563) [Link] I think that's missing the point. Ubuntu revs the distribution quickly, providing new software versions every six months. But it does it only in the context of new, named versions. If you choose not to do a dist upgrade, you generally get only bug fixes. Contrast that with fedora pushing Thunderbird 3 (!) mid-stream. Over time, it seems to my eyes Ubuntu has become more conservative with its approach to update management. Fedora seems to be moving more in the direction of "RHEL-Experimental", a product niche that probably doesn't fit well with its users desires, and that is already pretty well served by distributions like Debian unstable and Gentoo.
Who is Fedora for? Posted Mar 11, 2010 19:41 UTC (Thu) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]
Thunderbird 3 schedule was announced and Fedora included a pre-release
version based on the announced schedule and Thunderbird 3 was delivered late but since Fedora had already tested the pre-release, it went along with it and pushed the general release of Thunderbird 3 as an update. Similar things have happened in Ubuntu as well, for example the last LTS release included a pre-release version of Firefox and current release includes a development snapshot of GRUB2. Anyone who thinks Fedora is more experimental than before hasn't been paying attention to some of the earlier releases.
Who is Fedora for? Posted Mar 11, 2010 19:49 UTC (Thu) by ajross (subscriber, #4563) [Link] I still think you're missing the point. It's not the shipping of "pre- release" versions that people are worried about; as long as things work, most people don't care. It's the pushing of "new" versions (see the examples above -- incompatible UI/interface/dataformat/API changes) inside of a named release (i.e. sucked in automatically via yum update) that is troubling.
Who is Fedora for? Posted Mar 11, 2010 19:51 UTC (Thu) by skvidal (subscriber, #3094) [Link]
And that's what all the discussion has been about.
Who is Fedora for? Posted Mar 11, 2010 20:02 UTC (Thu) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]
Then the example you picked turned out to be not representative of what you
are talking about and yes, a number of discussions have been about avoiding the more troublesome updates.
Who is Fedora for? Posted Mar 11, 2010 21:27 UTC (Thu) by mjg59 (subscriber, #23239) [Link]
The differences between the Thunderbird beta and the release were large, confusing people who
were used to the UI and enabling indexing features that many people found excessively resource hungry. While shipping a beta at GA and pushing the full version as an update may be reasonable under various circumstances, it's unreasonable for that update to break people's workflow and the Thunderbird 3 update should have had its defaults modified to match.
Who is Fedora for? Posted Mar 11, 2010 21:47 UTC (Thu) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]
Yes and I have written extensively about that including
http://mether.wordpress.com/2009/10/12/stop-screwing-arou...
My point was simply that such behavior can happen in even a minor update
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