Software patents have long been the source of a great deal of concern in
the free software community; patents are by far the biggest restraint on
our ability to program our own computers. Those who worry about these
things have expected that attacks might come from patent trolls, or from
software companies with fading prospects. Apple's lawsuit
against HTC shows that the real threat may come from a different
direction.
HTC is not normally thought of as a Linux company; it is a Taiwanese
manufacturer which provides cellular phone handsets to a number of other
companies. HTC has only recently begun promoting phones under its own
name; as it happens, a number of those run Android. Since Android
increasingly looks like the base for some of the strongest competition
against Apple's products, this suit certainly has the look of an attack
against Android and not just an action against one hardware manufacturer.
Indeed, Android is named specifically in both components to the attack.
There are some 20 patents named in Apple's actions. Ten of them are named
in the
patent infringement suit filed in Delaware:
#5,455,599:
Object-oriented graphic system (1995). By a broad reading, this
patent would appear to cover just about any graphical system which
maps between objects stored in memory and a representation on the
display.
Additionally, Apple has filed
with the US International Trade Commission
with the purpose of blocking the import of HTC's products into the US.
That filing names a different, generally older, and more fundamental set of patents:
#5,519,867:
Object-oriented multitasking system (1993) covers the entirely
non-obvious technique of supplying an object-oriented wrapper around a
procedural operating system's process creation and manipulation system
calls.
#5,566,337:
Method and apparatus for distributing events in an operating
system (1994). Here Apple claims the technique of maintaining a
list of events and processes interested in those events, then
distributing notifications to the processes when the events happen.
Broadly read, this patent could cover Unix signals, the
select() system call, or the X Window System event
notification mechanism - all of which predate the patent by years.
#6,275,983:
Object-oriented operating system (1998). Another Object
Technology Licensing Corp. special, this one covers the concept of
providing object-oriented wrappers to procedural system calls; the one
additional twist is that those wrappers are dynamically loaded at run
time if need be.
#RE39,486:
Extensible, replaceable network component system (2003, a reissue
of 6,212,575 from 1995). Essentially, this is the technique of
building objects around different network protocols so that they all
appear the same to higher-level software and users.
A few of the patents are hardware-related and don't have much to do with
Linux. Many of the rest, however, purport to cover fundamental programming
techniques. It would appear that Apple wants to take Android out of the
picture - or at least extract substantial rents for its continued
existence. But many of these patents, if upheld, could have an influence
far beyond Android.
Needless to say, the validity of many of these patents is questionable.
Proving a patent invalid is a lengthy, expensive, and highly risky process,
though; it's not something that one can automatically expect a litigation
defendant to jump into. So there is no saying how HTC will react, or what
sort of assistance HTC will get from the rest of the industry.
In summary: this may be the software patent battle that many of us have feared for a
long time. An outright victory by Apple could well leave it "owning" much
of the computing and mobile telephony industry - in the US, at least. One
assumes that the rest of the industry is going to take note of what is
happening here. Nokia is already involved in its own patent disputes with
Apple, but this battle could spread well beyond Nokia and HTC. It will be
in few companies' interest to let Apple prevail on these claims and
entrench their validity. This battle is going
to be an interesting one to watch.
Posted Mar 2, 2010 21:59 UTC (Tue) by chrish (subscriber, #351)
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I wonder how many of these patents apply to Microsoft's mobile phone OS too... My guess would be most of them do.
Apple's patent attack
Posted Mar 2, 2010 22:02 UTC (Tue) by nix (subscriber, #2304)
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But MS is big, so it can just enter a patent cross-licensing deal, and
screw the rest of us while remaining fine itself.
Apple's patent attack
Posted Mar 2, 2010 22:04 UTC (Tue) by JoeBuck (subscriber, #2330)
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Apple might have cross-licensing agreements with Microsoft that prevent them from going after Microsoft, but I don't know that.
Apple's patent attack
Posted Mar 3, 2010 9:15 UTC (Wed) by dgm (subscriber, #49227)
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Interesting indeed.
A few observartions: Apple attacks HTC, maybe the number one Android phone provider. Apple also does its thing against Google and Linux, both directly and by proxy. Both companies have very good relations, you do not see hostility among them.
Are Jobs and Gates (ok, Ballmer) finding Synergies? Or is it mere coincidence? Or are they soooo afraid one of the the other (hard to believe in the case of Microsoft).
Apple's patent attack
Posted Mar 2, 2010 22:32 UTC (Tue) by ajross (subscriber, #4563)
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Note that a big chunk of HTC's business is in selling Windows Mobile devices.
There's nothing inherently Android-specific about this suit AFAICS, though
clearly the suspicion has to be that Android is the ultimate target.
Android
Posted Mar 2, 2010 23:16 UTC (Tue) by corbet (editor, #1)
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Android was named in the two actions - Windows was not. That suggests that they might be more interested in targeting one of those systems than the other.
Remember that Microsoft has invested in Apple in the past. They may have all kinds of cross-licensing deals in place.
HTC and WinMo
Posted Mar 3, 2010 1:57 UTC (Wed) by mrpippy (guest, #57134)
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Windows Mobile isn't specifically named, but the ITC complaint includes all of HTC's Windows
Mobile
phones sold in the US over the last 3 years (HD2, Imagio, Pure, Tilt 2, Touch Pro 2, Touch
Diamond/Pro).
They (and the Android phones) are accused of infringing on '263, the "Real-time signal
processing
system for serially transmitted data". It's hard to figure out what this patent actually covers, but
it
seems to be about abstracting a DSP (used to interface with a communications network) from a
higher-level driver. This could apply to the HTC-written RIL (sits below the phone API and sends
AT
commands to the radio), or to the HTC/Qualcomm AMSS firmware that runs on the radio (itself
an
ARM9 core). I suspect it is the latter, since the AMSS uses DSPs and presents serial ports to the
main
apps processor. If the AMSS is the infringing software, this means that every Qualcomm MSM
chip is
also infringing, and by extension, every single device operating on Verizon or Sprint's networks
in
the US.
As an interesting aside, the '263 patent was granted in January 2002, almost 8 years after the
filing
date in August 1994. In 1993, Apple introduced the Quadra 660AV and 840AV, 68040-based
Macs
that also had a 50 MHz AT&T DSP on the logic board. Among other uses for the DSP, it could be
paired with an inexpensive telecom adapter (the GeoPort) and used as a 14.4K modem. So Apple
has
actually shipped products that could have used this patent, although its relevance to modern
mobile
phones is pretty tenuous.
HTC and WinMo
Posted Mar 3, 2010 8:30 UTC (Wed) by niall.noigiallach (guest, #47469)
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Of course a number of other Vendors had also shipped Workstations with DSP's on the main logic board before this. For example SGI had shipped the Indigo back in 1991( or was it 90?) and heck even the NextCube could be regarded as prior art. I would be very surprised if either of them didn't have some sort of API for accessing the DSP
Yay
Posted Mar 2, 2010 22:06 UTC (Tue) by ncm (subscriber, #165)
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Strange, most of these have nothing to do with anything HTC delivers; they're on techniques used in software that other people put on it. Are Apple trying to claim that anything that _can_ be programmed to do something covered in a patent itself violates the patent? That invites a broadly applicable rejection in principle, if anybody involved is doing any competent homework.
Yay
Posted Mar 2, 2010 22:41 UTC (Tue) by paulj (subscriber, #341)
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HTC ship phones with software on them - Android - and that makes them
liable, no?
Yay
Posted Mar 3, 2010 6:13 UTC (Wed) by gdt (subscriber, #6284)
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In the first instance, yes. In the longer term it will depend upon the terms of contracts between the two software suppliers and HTC. For example, did Google and Microsoft warrant that their software was free of encumberences; did they indemnify HTC from I.P claims over the software?
Interesting times for the US Government too. Taiwan have bent over backwards to requests from the US Trade Representative on I.P matters in order to negotiate a free trade agreement. Yet when a high profile Taiwan company and a high profile US company compete, dodgy I.P is used to ban imports from the Taiwan firm. There's already great concern in Taiwan about the US's combative use of international trade agreements against Taiwan's interests (eg: import of US beef, despite BSE being found in the past), and this will be seen as another example of that.
Patent indemnification, are you kidding?
Posted Mar 3, 2010 9:31 UTC (Wed) by mjr (subscriber, #6979)
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In the first instance, yes. In the longer term it will depend upon the terms of contracts between the two software suppliers and HTC. For example, did Google and Microsoft warrant that their software was free of encumberences; did they indemnify HTC from I.P claims over the software?
No company in their right mind would do that in this world, so no, very likely not. 'course, Google at least might have an interest in fighting back anyway.
Patent indemnification, are you kidding?
Posted Mar 3, 2010 14:35 UTC (Wed) by Cato (subscriber, #7643)
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There are many other examples - basically software customers don't want to have to defend a patent lawsuit for a software product they bought, so vendors are often willing to include this.
Patent indemnification, are you kidding?
Posted Mar 6, 2010 1:06 UTC (Sat) by giraffedata (subscriber, #1954)
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The easiest way to understand why indemnification does in fact exist is to remember that a deal is a two-way street. If no company in its right mind would indemnify another because it doesn't want to take the risk of a patent infringement, then no company in its right mind would take stuff without indemnification, for the same reason.
But technology does change hands, so one side or the other is taking the risk. Now, when it comes to choosing which side it should be, I think it makes sense in the general case that the supplier of the technology should take the risk, as he probably is in the better position of the two to avoid infringements and know if there are any.
Yay
Posted Mar 3, 2010 10:14 UTC (Wed) by paulj (subscriber, #341)
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In the longer term it will depend upon the terms of contracts between
the
two software suppliers and HTC.
I don't think it does. Even if Google and HTC have contracts in place to
pass on some or all of any costs that arise out of patent liabilities, HTC
will still be the subject of those actions. E.g. imagine if Apple get an
injunction to prevent HTC importing phones into the US, there's no way a
contract with a 3rd party gets around that (other than to offset the
tangible costs of it perhaps).
HTC Value-Add
Posted Mar 2, 2010 23:52 UTC (Tue) by rfunk (subscriber, #4054)
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1. HTC adds their own "Sense" interface and customizations onto stock
Android. I think they've been less patent-averse with that than stock
Android has been.
2. Apple probably has a stronger patent case if they can point to patent-
infringing hardware than software.
3. HTC has been Google's primary hardware partner for Android -- the first
Android phone (the G1) was made my HTC, as is the current flagship Nexus
One.
Apple's patent attack
Posted Mar 2, 2010 22:53 UTC (Tue) by Frej (subscriber, #4165)
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Maybe they want a target with less to loose and thus easier to settle (HTC doesn't really care), with
regard to the larger fight with nokia?
It's also interesting how many of the recent battles are across borders, with at least one company in
the US. (Except with patent trolls like seqoia). I'm probably wrong...but
Tomtom is dutch (MS us), Nokia is finish(Apple US)...RIM is canadian and HTC is taiwanese...
Is it easier fighting foreign companies because US companies can also file complaints to the USITC?
As an extra attack...... it seems odd having to defend yourself in two systems...
Ah well probably paranoia...RIM was a patent troll as well ;) and nokia started..... But still, Apple
might as well file against MS,Intel,Google etc.....
Apple's patent attack
Posted Mar 3, 2010 0:24 UTC (Wed) by leoc (subscriber, #39773)
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"We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas."
- Steve Jobs
Nice
Posted Mar 3, 2010 6:19 UTC (Wed) by eru (subscriber, #2753)
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Heh, that is a nice quote for HTC and Nokia lawyers to present to the jury, if these cases actually reach a jury trial...
Sarcasm
Posted Mar 3, 2010 0:29 UTC (Wed) by neilbrown (subscriber, #359)
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While I enjoy our editor's dry sarcasm as much as the next reader, I wonder if it is wise for a high-profile member of our community to go on record as describing some of these patented techniques as "highly innovative" or "entirely non-obvious" when in fact the reverse is meant.
Do judges understand sarcasm?
Sarcasm
Posted Mar 3, 2010 1:15 UTC (Wed) by corbet (editor, #1)
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Sigh. One of the biggest bummers about legal stuff is the way it makes everybody feel they need to shut up. I have, over the years, gotten a lot more careful when I do an article like this, especially with regard to saying that specific patents might read on Linux. What a pain if I can't even be snide.
Should somebody try to enter my comments as evidence, I'll happily show up to clarify what I meant...
Sarcasm
Posted Mar 3, 2010 12:36 UTC (Wed) by mchehab (subscriber, #41156)
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I suggest you to put the sarcastic expressions on double quotes.
Sarcasm
Posted Mar 3, 2010 13:39 UTC (Wed) by njd27 (subscriber, #5770)
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LWN wouldn't be such a joy without the occasional snidity.
Sarcasm
Posted Mar 4, 2010 0:59 UTC (Thu) by briangmaddox (subscriber, #39279)
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You know, I just glanced at that comment and thought maybe Jon had resorted
to taking pictures of himself and putting it on the website ;)
Sarcasm
Posted Mar 3, 2010 1:23 UTC (Wed) by marcH (subscriber, #57642)
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If Justice can be trusted so little, I am afraid there is a bigger fish to fry than software patents.
Sarcasm
Posted Mar 3, 2010 16:23 UTC (Wed) by martinfick (subscriber, #4455)
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The fish are massive, and growing daily...
Sarcasm
Posted Mar 4, 2010 16:49 UTC (Thu) by pcampe (subscriber, #28223)
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>While I enjoy our editor's dry sarcasm as much as the next reader, I
>wonder if it is wise for a high-profile member of our community to go on
>record as describing some of these patented techniques as "highly
>innovative" or "entirely non-obvious" when in fact the reverse is meant.
We read LWN because it helps us thinking.
...
..
.
Hey, I could patent that! It's entirely non obvious :D
Sarcasm
Posted Mar 4, 2010 17:19 UTC (Thu) by lambda (subscriber, #40735)
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Yes, judges do indeed understand sarcasm. Most judges are highly intelligent and well educated.
I've read some legal decisions that were quite well written and witty. There's no reason for our
Editor to self-censor here in fear that someone will misunderstand his sarcasm.
Sarcasm
Posted Mar 12, 2010 3:51 UTC (Fri) by pjm (subscriber, #2080)
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I certainly expect judges to be intelligent, well-read, and to understand a variety of literary styles; but recognizing sarcasm sometimes requires knowing in advance the falsehood of the statement; and we can't always expect that of judges or others in a courtroom, as intelligent as they may be. I'm sure it would be checked if it were a key piece of evidence presented in court, but the words may still influence some decisions made outside of courtrooms, some of which will end up influencing what happens inside of courtrooms.
Is this too indirect or rare a cost to weigh against reading pleasure? One response would be to ask whether reducing sarcasm necessarily have a cost in writing & reading pleasure. Sometimes giving thought to phrasing and exploring literary devices can be rewarding; and conversely sometimes sarcasm (“language consisting of bitter or wounding remarks”) can be unpleasant to read. So maybe good can come from what at first appears a burdensome imposition on expression.
Apple's patent attack
Posted Mar 3, 2010 0:48 UTC (Wed) by BenHutchings (subscriber, #37955)
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"Object Technology Licensing Corporation" sounds like a vestige of Next Computer, as do many of these patents.
Apple's patent attack
Posted Mar 4, 2010 0:45 UTC (Thu) by mrpippy (guest, #57134)
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Object Technology Licensing actually isn't NeXT (NeXT is apparently still maintained as a wholly owned subsidiary of Apple, and owns its own patents).
Object Technology Licensing is the IP holding company that came out of Taligent (a Apple/IBM joint venture in the early '90s to build a new OS). When Taligent folded, IBM got the rights to the code, and Apple got the rights to the patents, now held by OTL Corp.
Apple's patent attack
Posted Mar 4, 2010 4:00 UTC (Thu) by BenHutchings (subscriber, #37955)
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Since Taligent never shipped anything, this seems to make OTL a patent troll...
Apple's patent attack
Posted Mar 5, 2010 21:33 UTC (Fri) by bronson (subscriber, #4806)
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There is no better book on middleware and mid-90s software architecture.
Apple's patent attack
Posted Mar 3, 2010 1:29 UTC (Wed) by marcH (subscriber, #57642)
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> There are some 20 patents named in Apple's actions. Ten of them are named in the patent infringement suit filed in Delaware:
Wasn't there a recent pledge to make tax havens harmless to the real economy?
Apple's patent attack and tax havens
Posted Mar 6, 2010 1:21 UTC (Sat) by giraffedata (subscriber, #1954)
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There are some 20 patents named in Apple's actions. Ten of them are named
in the patent infringement suit filed in Delaware:
Wasn't there a recent pledge to make tax havens harmless to the real economy?
I don't see how this relates to this article, but are you perhaps making reference to the myth that if a company incorporates in Delaware, it doesn't have to pay income taxes?
That was true a long time ago, but today every US state that taxes corporate income taxes any corporation whose principle place of business is in that state.
There are still many good reasons for a large multistate corporation to incorporate in Delaware, but taxation isn't among them. Indeed, taxes are a little higher that way, because Delaware raises a significant amount of it's public funds (the majority, IIRC) from taxing those corporations itself.
Apple's patent attack and tax havens
Posted Mar 11, 2010 12:21 UTC (Thu) by robbe (subscriber, #16131)
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> We know from our extensive research that the core selling point of what
> are popularly known as "tax havens" is not tax, but secrecy. Tax
> considerations, and others, are always secondary to the provision of
> secrecy.
In this secrecy index, Delaware ranks #1 ...
Apple's patent attack
Posted Mar 3, 2010 2:29 UTC (Wed) by rahvin (subscriber, #16953)
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Given that a significant number of these patents are being used directly against a Linux stack I personally believe the community should organize and back HTC. Particularly the major organizations and companies (OIN, RedHat, IBM, Google) who support Linux should be stepping into this suit to help defend HTC. Personally the ideal would be for all the organizations I listed to enter a patent agreement with HTC to allow HTC to use the combined patents in defense against Apple. Although Apple will deny it, this is a direct attack on the Android software, and if it's allowed to stand Apple could attack much of the Linux community. If we fail to coalesce and defend a company using Linux we deserve what will ultimately happen to Linux because of patents. We simply must provide a combined defense so other companies think twice before threatening someone using Linux in a product.
Most of these patents are UI patents, How on earth you can patent a UI is beyond me. The equivalent would be patenting the location of a switch on a machine, not the machine itself. (Specifically the patent for a software switch to unlock the keypad, that has to be just about the worst patent ever granted) It's just downright silly. This suit reminds me very much of Apples "look and feel" lawsuit against MS that took a decade to resolve with the courts finally telling apple you can't patent the look and feel of something.
Apple's patent attack
Posted Mar 3, 2010 9:44 UTC (Wed) by michaeljt (subscriber, #39183)
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Or, as per Andrew Tridgell (see http://lwn.net/Articles/371044/ ), the community could get
together to try and create workarounds for those patents and leave Apple with no case.
Apple's patent attack
Posted Mar 8, 2010 12:25 UTC (Mon) by rwmj (guest, #5474)
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Why though? I mean, take "#7,657,849: Unlocking a device by performing gestures on an
unlock
image." There are several physical devices where you have to move or slide a (physical) knob in
order to unlock the device. This patent just describes the same thing, done in images on a
computer screen. This is just physical affordances translated to the computer
screen, in the same way that patenting "online" auctions is not novel because they have existed for
centuries "offline".
Why should we have to deny ourselves obvious techniques like that? We should keep using them
and get rid of obvious software patents instead.
Apple's patent attack
Posted Mar 8, 2010 13:32 UTC (Mon) by michaeljt (subscriber, #39183)
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The reasoning behind what he had to say was that proving a patent invalid is very hard and
expensive, even if it is trivial to see it.
Apple's patent attack
Posted Mar 3, 2010 18:22 UTC (Wed) by b7j0c (subscriber, #27559)
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well the first thing you can all do is stop buying apple's crap
i'm so sick of so-called "hardcore geeks" toting around ludicrously overpriced (and don't go quoting "tco" crap) laptops telling me they "like how it just works"
"Just works" - not exactly
Posted Mar 4, 2010 15:31 UTC (Thu) by dbruce (subscriber, #57948)
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While we're a MS-free household, my wife and daughter are both dedicated Apple users (I'm a Linux-based OSS dev). My daughter recently had trouble syncing her iPhone on our iMac, and asked me for help. After disclaiming that I don't know much about Apple stuff, I had a go at syncing the phone. Just by precisely following the on-screen instructions in iTunes, I wound up bricking the phone and had to take it back to the store to get it resurrected. The store's "Genius" wouldn't tell me just what he had to do to get the "reset to factory settings" to succeed, after it failed when iTunes tried to do it. Apparently mere users aren't supposed to know such things, even if they are interested in learning them.
So, while Apple's stuff usually does "just work", when things go wrong I find that the user gets very little useful information about how to resolve the problem.
Apple's patent attack
Posted Mar 11, 2010 22:59 UTC (Thu) by rodgerd (guest, #58896)
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It would certainly make me happier if I didn't see a sea of iProduct amongst audiences at free software get-togethers booing and hissing Microsoft.
Apple's patent attack
Posted Mar 3, 2010 2:47 UTC (Wed) by dps (subscriber, #5725)
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This attack is a little scary... rather a lot of it sounds like completely obvious things that have been standard for a long time. In particular if it #7,362,331 holds then all developers of games and games consoles are likely to be next.
Even if a games developer did successfully contest the patent they would lose $$$$ while their product was in legal limbo.
At least in theory the second set of patents should be easy to invalidate.
Many versions of unix would provide solid examples of most of them. dlopen(3C) is not new and covers dynamic loading.
#5,946,647 is just too broad... techniques like least squared error regression have been known for several hundred years. More recent development include robust regression. Westinghouse used pattern recognition to optimise the conversion of uranium hexflaloride (gas) into uranium fuel pellets prior to 1992. Note that Apple has nothing to do with any of this work.
Apple's patent attack
Posted Mar 6, 2010 16:25 UTC (Sat) by bcopeland (subscriber, #51750)
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#7,469,381: List scrolling and document translation, scaling, and rotation on a touch-screen display (2007). This one is complex, but seems to cover the practice of "bouncing" the display when scrolled past the end of a document or list.
Bouncing smooth scrolling was also really popular in Ansi viewers of the BBS days (I even wrote one.). Of course, touch screens weren't very common back then, but that seems to be the logical obvious extension.
Apple's patent attack
Posted Mar 6, 2010 19:14 UTC (Sat) by nix (subscriber, #2304)
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Personally it's always made me feel seasick. A patent on making your users
feel ill! (I have always thought that it would be Microsoft, or IBM's
mainframe division, who managed that one.)
Apple's patent attack
Posted Mar 3, 2010 3:29 UTC (Wed) by russell (subscriber, #10458)
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Noting that Microsoft's software was not named. Perhaps this is a "suggestion" to HTC from both Apple and Microsoft that HTC shouldn't be playing with Linux.
Apple's patent attack
Posted Mar 3, 2010 12:21 UTC (Wed) by csamuel (✭ supporter ✭, #2624)
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As other commenters have noted HTC's Windows mobile phones are also named,
though distinguished from Android ones, even if Windows itself is not
specifically mentioned.
Apparently HTC only learned about the attack via the Apple press release
and various website reports, that happened before they had been served..
Engadget link - bit.ly'd due to Konqueror long URL breaking annoyance:
Posted Mar 5, 2010 16:50 UTC (Fri) by eparis123 (guest, #59739)
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And when targeting Windows-running mobiles, they referred to the hardware,
_not_ the software. So, yes, it's an explicit attack against the Linux mobile
stack.
The Smartphone Wars have begun...
Posted Mar 3, 2010 6:34 UTC (Wed) by eru (subscriber, #2753)
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I think the major reason why all this is happening is that after years in the wilderness, now Smartphones have finally arrived, and become a territory worth fighting over. I mean, Nokia and others have been selling smartphones for around a decade now, but only fairly recently the techology has progressed to the point where they are usable without frustration, and fun to use: faster wireless data, larger and brighter displays, more memory, more processing power. They are beginning to displace PC and laptop usage. They are the next big thing in personal computing.
Add to this the newcomer Apple that is not part of the mutual backscratching society of incumbent telecom firms, and hungry for a bigger share of the pie, and you get fireworks.
If you feel sick, it's just the chemo working
Posted Mar 3, 2010 8:20 UTC (Wed) by mjr (subscriber, #6979)
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Earlier I've made an analogy that patent trolls might be a useful treatment to this sick society of ours where one can claim to support healthy competition with a straight face all the while claiming monopoly privileges to fundamental technologies.
Apparently Apple wants in on escalating the MAD patent wars. I say good going, Apple. They may be a bunch of greedy control freaks, but it's become rather evident that the society needs to be shown what laws that enable such parties to control the use of technology really do.
Sometimes you need to hit rock bottom before you can get up again. It won't be fun in the short run for anyone trying to do business in the countries most affected, but if that's what it takes, that's what it takes.
If you feel sick, it's just the chemo working
Posted Mar 3, 2010 18:17 UTC (Wed) by b7j0c (subscriber, #27559)
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exactly, the patent system is in dire need of exposure. smearing the good name of apple in the process is just icing on the cake
If you feel sick, it's just the chemo working
Posted Mar 3, 2010 22:06 UTC (Wed) by marcH (subscriber, #57642)
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Short and sweet, definitely worth a read.
When the situation is really desperate it becomes best to fight fire with fire. The best we can hope is some really non-sense patents making the headlines of mainstream press for a few months.
So Steve Jobs, who is evil here?
Posted Mar 3, 2010 12:34 UTC (Wed) by cyperpunks (subscriber, #39406)
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Posted Mar 3, 2010 14:58 UTC (Wed) by cma (subscriber, #49905)
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It seems non of US politicians has yet taken any action to stop this harassment to the free market.
It seems everyone should have a iPlone and a shitty mobile operational system...
Taht really sucks for us, US outsiders...
Patent system is flawed
Posted Mar 6, 2010 5:07 UTC (Sat) by mgh (guest, #5696)
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There is no point blaming companies - they are responding to the legal patent framework created by government. If they don't patent and defend, some other company will patent the concepts they are using.
Apple/IBM/Microsoft/Nokia etc need to file patents and defend them - they have few other choices. Look at Blackberry vs NTP and many many other cases.
Software patents are not contributing to innovation - and hence their reason for existence is flawed; it is on this point that energy should be focused.
Patent system is flawed
Posted Mar 8, 2010 23:58 UTC (Mon) by leoc (subscriber, #39773)
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In as much as the fact that companies that benefit the most from the existing situation also happen to be the ones who fight to retain it then, yes, actually, we can blame them.
Patent system is flawed
Posted Mar 9, 2010 19:44 UTC (Tue) by DOT (subscriber, #58786)
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Any company that decides on its own to go nuclear, is to blame. The "defensive patents" argument does not hold when you start filing lawsuits.
Patents to protect you?
Posted Mar 11, 2010 12:27 UTC (Thu) by forthy (guest, #1525)
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If you look at RIM vs. NTP, you see that filing patents to protect yourself ain't gonna help. Not against patent trolls who have no product. Invalidating invalid patents ain't gonna help, either, since in that case, the patent in question was actually found invalid - 3 month after the judge closed the case.
keep digging that grave apple
Posted Mar 3, 2010 18:16 UTC (Wed) by b7j0c (subscriber, #27559)
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apple is sitting on a mountain of cash and can't stop topping itself quarter after quarter, and now steve jobs has decided to use some of that swagger to start vaporizing companies instead of competing with them
rewind fifteen years, and its microsoft and bill gates all over again
keep going steve, you'll end up reviled just like gates was
keep digging that grave apple
Posted Mar 4, 2010 1:06 UTC (Thu) by briangmaddox (subscriber, #39279)
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Jobs (and Ellison and ...) have always wanted to be like Gates. They don't
hate Gates because of his business practices. They hate Gates because he
became so successful and rich with his business practices.
I have to wonder if this sudden patent attack is also motivated by Apple
knowing that they're in a bad position should Jobs' health finally fail him.
The entire company pretty much hinges on Jobs being there. Maybe his recent
high-profile health problems are putting enough pressure on Apple to go on
this offensive before he finally leaves for good.
keep digging that grave apple
Posted Mar 11, 2010 0:46 UTC (Thu) by DRJO (guest, #64278)
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The open source community just doesn't get it. Rather than lament what companies are doing to stifle creativity re: patents - the open source community must instead use patents themselves as a weapon. The Linux community could patent literally thousands of patents owned by the open source community and shut down any hope of patents from commercial companies...indeed Linux itself is a framework for invalidating a lot of these patents. Think about it...
DRJO
Apple vs the world
Posted Mar 11, 2010 9:47 UTC (Thu) by ketilmalde (guest, #18719)
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> rewind fifteen years, and its microsoft and bill gates all over again
I couldn't help but make this connection, too. In 1988, Apple tried to sue MS for "look and feel", and the courts decided copyright didn't extend this kind of protection (although they succeeded in defending specifics like the trashcan icon). Now they have obtained patents for much of the same things, and are trying a different -- and more expensive to challenge -- tack.
It is interesting that Apple sued MS after their market share had started slipping, and that the period around and after the lawsuit was one where Apple became more and more marginalized, reviving with the introduction of the iMac in 1998, ten years later.
Although Apple has been met with great success with many products, and the iPhone has been the undisputedly smartest of the smartphones, they are seeing some real competition now (even I am probably buying an HTC Desire now). It took Windows a while to get anywhere close to the Mac, and it arguably never surpassed it in usability, but once it got close enough, a competitive hardware and software left Apple in the dust marketwise. Let's see if the same is about to happen to mobile phones.
keep digging that grave apple
Posted Mar 29, 2010 20:09 UTC (Mon) by MortenSickel (subscriber, #3238)
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To quote a friend of mine: "It is important to distinguish between apple and microsoft. Whereas Microsoft is evil and wants all your money, Apple is arrogant and wants all your money"
keep digging that grave apple
Posted Mar 29, 2010 20:32 UTC (Mon) by foom (subscriber, #14868)
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And Google is arrogant and wants all your information. :)
Open Source help
Posted Mar 13, 2010 15:43 UTC (Sat) by stites (guest, #64360)
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It is possible for HTC and Google to obtain help from the Open Source community. They should identify which patents Apple is specifically applying against open source code and then ask the Open Source community for prior art to invalidate the patents.