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No philosophy?No philosophy?Posted Jan 26, 2010 1:28 UTC (Tue) by coriordan (guest, #7544)In reply to: No philosophy? by dowdle Parent article: Red Hat launches opensource.com
> that doesn't mean that there are no ideals associated
Of course. There were the free software movement's ideals, and there were the hacker community's customs and culture. OSI's attempts to cast off these ideals did not completely succeed, so there are still ideals associated with "open source".
I think one of the funniest displays of the lack of ideals can be seen in the annotated version of the Open Source Definition where it says the "no discrimination" clause is justified because maximising contributors leads to more efficient development! So, if banning Irish people would not harm development, it would be fine!
With such rubbish conclusions, it's no wonder that even the people who adopted the term hung onto (a version of) the ideals of the free software movement and the hacker community.
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No philosophy? Posted Jan 26, 2010 6:30 UTC (Tue) by esr (guest, #14345) [Link] >OSI's attempts to cast off these ideals The implied claim is utter rubbish. The OSI was founded as a continuation of hacker traditions that both include and predate the FSF. About all I have to say to people who consider the FSF the be-all-and-end-all of hacker tradition is that their ignorance is showing. Some remedial study of (at least) the early histories of Unix and the IETF is indicated. A conversation with one of today's BSD hackers might be a good idea, too.
Different Values Posted Jan 26, 2010 8:17 UTC (Tue) by chromatic (guest, #26207) [Link]
I consider the likelihood that some people who care deeply about freedom (and consider *that* stance pragmatic in the light of Tom Tom, SCO, and BitKeeper, for example) have reservations about a philosophy which keeps score based on how much money it can raise during IPOs and suckle from The Enterprise.
No philosophy? Posted Jan 26, 2010 12:06 UTC (Tue) by coriordan (guest, #7544) [Link] Of course. I specifically credited the hacker community each time. The free software movement isn't the only source of tradition, but it deserves special mention because it is the subgroup of hackers that did the most to organise, document, and propagate their culture. In contrast, OSI was a checkpoint where ideals, culture, and tradition were told to take a backseat and let business interests take the steering wheel. Businesses loved that idea and we got a load of new best friends (y'know, the sort that don't blink while stabing us in the back, filing amicus briefs telling the Supreme Court that open source thrives *because of* software patents). (I should note that, among companies, Red Hat is one of our community's best allies. They've done great lobbying in the EU, and filed great briefs against software patents in the USA, India, and the EU. ...and they were with us long before the "open source" idea.)
No philosophy? Posted Jan 26, 2010 23:17 UTC (Tue) by BrucePerens (guest, #2510) [Link] Note that I didn't write that commentary, just the OSD. Also, the OSD was finished about 8 months before anyone thought of having an Open Source Initiative.
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