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Rawhide users: fasten your seat belts

For the daring folks who follow Rawhide: life is about to get interesting for a while. Fedora developers have announced that Rawhide will be moving to upstart 0.60 and to RPM 4.8.0. Both postings should be considered required reading for people with Rawhide systems.
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Upstart

Posted Dec 7, 2009 15:56 UTC (Mon) by ribbo (subscriber, #2400) [Link]

Fedora has been using upstart for _YEARS_, its only moving to a newer version of it.

Upstart

Posted Dec 7, 2009 15:59 UTC (Mon) by gmaxwell (subscriber, #30048) [Link]

Indeed:
[gmaxwell@helmholtz ~]$ rpm -q -f /sbin/init
upstart-0.3.9-22.fc10.x86_64
[gmaxwell@helmholtz ~]$ cat /etc/redhat-release
Fedora release 10 (Cambridge)
[gmaxwell@helmholtz ~]$

Upstart

Posted Dec 7, 2009 16:21 UTC (Mon) by clugstj (subscriber, #4020) [Link]

No one said otherwise. If you read the article, it says that the interface to upstart changed in 0.60 and could break some packages.

Upstart

Posted Dec 7, 2009 16:30 UTC (Mon) by cesarb (subscriber, #6266) [Link]

IIRC, the post here originally said "[...] will be moving to upstart and to RPM 4.8.0". It seems corbet already fixed it.

Upstart

Posted Dec 7, 2009 22:20 UTC (Mon) by corbet (editor, #1) [Link]

I did add the version number to make things clearer after seeing the original comment, yes. Sorry for any confusion.

Upstart

Posted Dec 7, 2009 17:09 UTC (Mon) by mattdm (subscriber, #18) [Link]

Fedora has been using upstart for _YEARS_, its only moving to a newer version of it.
True for values of _YEARS_ where _YEARS_ = "one and a half". :)

Rawhide users: fasten your seat belts

Posted Dec 7, 2009 18:25 UTC (Mon) by alecs1 (guest, #46699) [Link]

Oh, my Debian has Upstart 6.3 and I never noticed :)

upstart, fsck and seat belts

Posted Dec 7, 2009 22:24 UTC (Mon) by Alterego (subscriber, #55989) [Link]

I hope they will be wiser than ubuntu in the way they manage fsck at boot time.
For faster boot, ubuntu does not wait for all partitions, and starts while fsck is being done :

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/4...
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/util-linux/+bug...

a seat belt is not enought in this (frequent) case.

upstart, fsck and seat belts

Posted Dec 7, 2009 22:31 UTC (Mon) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]

While booting fast is important, that seems a very racy thing to do. I am
planning to upgrade from Fedora 12 to Rawhide soon and will keep an eye on
this. Thanks for the heads up.

upstart, fsck and seat belts

Posted Dec 8, 2009 10:33 UTC (Tue) by sitaram (subscriber, #5959) [Link]

pun intended? or not?

:)

Rawhide users: fasten your seat belts

Posted Dec 8, 2009 7:58 UTC (Tue) by lkundrak (subscriber, #43452) [Link]

Moreover, it could be noted that Perl 5.10.1 just landed in Rawhide. Yay \o/

Rawhide users: fasten your seat belts

Posted Dec 8, 2009 10:46 UTC (Tue) by epa (subscriber, #39769) [Link]

Is it? I don't see a perl-5.10.1 package in
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/develo...

Is there some delay before it reaches that directory?

Rawhide users: fasten your seat belts

Posted Dec 8, 2009 15:32 UTC (Tue) by michich (subscriber, #17902) [Link]

The package was built successfully in Koji (Fedora's build system):
$ koji latest-pkg dist-f13 perl
Build                              Tag             Built by
---------------------------------  --------------  --------
perl-5.10.1-104.fc13               dist-f13        kasal
To get to the mirrors, a Rawhide compose needs to finish (this usually happens once a day, but not always) and then mirrors have to sync.

Rawhide users: fasten your seat belts

Posted Dec 8, 2009 17:12 UTC (Tue) by nirik (subscriber, #71) [Link]

And ironically, rawhide composes have failed since this due to broken dependencies in perl.
;)

Expect it to land in the next few days as the broken deps get fixed up.

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