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KDE Software Compilation 4.4 Beta1 ReleasedKDE Software Compilation 4.4 Beta1 ReleasedPosted Dec 7, 2009 13:27 UTC (Mon) by Janne (guest, #40891)In reply to: KDE Software Compilation 4.4 Beta1 Released by macson_g Parent article: KDE Software Compilation 4.4 Beta1 Released
"- Plasmoids on desktop are resizeable and movable like windowes, nut with very weird and non-standard interface - handle on the side, resizing/oving be dragging icons, not handle/edges/corners"
I don't really see the problem here. Plasmoids are not apps in traditonal sense. And besides, Plasmoids are still consistent enough that you figured out how to move and resize them. It's not like it's totally alien concept or anything.
As to multiple desktops vs. plasma activities.... Again, I don't see the problem here. You still have your multiple desktops, so it's not like that feature has been taken away from you. Plasma activities offer you a new feature that you may or may not find useful. If you find it useful, great! If you don't.... well, don't use it then.
Plasma activities is to plasmoids and panels as to what virtual desktops are to apps and app-windows. And doesn't recent KDE-version offer you the option of tying activities to desktops, so they are simplified.
It seems to me that you think that KDE (or any other piece of software) should not add any new features, since that would be "inconsistent" and "non-standard". Well, of course they would be if they are the first ones to do it. There are no standards to build on.
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KDE Software Compilation 4.4 Beta1 Released Posted Dec 7, 2009 15:11 UTC (Mon) by morhippo (subscriber, #334) [Link]
"- Plasmoids on desktop are resizeable and movable like windowes, nut with very weird and non-standard interface - handle on the side, resizing/oving be dragging icons, not handle/edges/corners"
I don't really see the problem here. Plasmoids are not apps in traditonal sense. And besides, Plasmoids are still consistent enough that you figured out how to move and resize them. It's not like it's totally alien concept or anything.
I do see the problem - resizing and placing applets is really difficult compared to resizing and placing windows - the interface offered with the handle does make it extremely cumbersome to place several applets in a coordinated way. Allowing resizing on the edges would help a lot here!!
KDE Software Compilation 4.4 Beta1 Released Posted Dec 7, 2009 19:20 UTC (Mon) by macson_g (subscriber, #12717) [Link]
> It seems to me that you think that KDE (or any other piece of software) should not add any new features
Ooooooh, far from this. I consider myself an early adopter. I love KDE plasma, and all the the flexibility and gadgetry it has to offer.
> As to multiple desktops vs. plasma activities.... Again, I don't see the
Nope. I work on multiple desktops. I _alwyas_ used multiple wallpapers - different on each desktop. This helped me distinguish between them, and also multiplied my daily intake of eye-candy.
(I also had habit to use mouse wheel to switch desktops, but KDE4 cured me; but this is different story...)
Suddenly - the feature disappears in 4.0. I am using KDE 4 anyway ('early adopter'), while most of my friends are reluctant to switch. I am promised that the feature will be back in 4.3
Then comes 4.3. The feature is not here! I am told that I can 'tie activities to desktop', using terrible user interface. It takes me few minutes to do it, because in the 'zoom out' mode UI becomes almost no responsive at all, and each mouse click takes 10+ seconds. But I succeed.
And then another unpleasant surprise: during the year with KDE4 I learned to work with plasmoids on desktops and loved them. And now I have to re-configure them separately on each virtual desktop. Some of them are really hard to configure.
(Sorry about nagging here, but the bugzilla is so full of complaining like this, that KDE maintainers are probably ignoring it already)
KDE Software Compilation 4.4 Beta1 Released Posted Dec 7, 2009 23:46 UTC (Mon) by aseigo (guest, #18394) [Link]
"Suddenly - the feature disappears in 4.0."
as an "interesting question": which would you prefer .. kde3's "multiple wallpapers" or kde4's widgets and activities? why?
KDE Software Compilation 4.4 Beta1 Released Posted Dec 11, 2009 10:51 UTC (Fri) by mpr22 (subscriber, #60784) [Link]
I'm not a KDE user (I have yet to see a Linux desktop environment even 75% as pleasant-and-usable-for-me as "Win32 Classic; Rainy Day colour scheme; all bell-and-whistle effects disabled"; a hefty chunk of this is a question of fonts and font rendering), but my instinctive response to your questions is "Both, because I can conceive of no halfway-decent reason why it should be a matter of XOR."
KDE Software Compilation 4.4 Beta1 Released Posted Dec 11, 2009 23:56 UTC (Fri) by jospoortvliet (subscriber, #33164) [Link]
Well, it is kind-a possible now but you'd have to configure it yourself
(eg put the same widgets on each desktop). Yes, maybe it's an idea to allow both options - though I doubt anyone currently on the plasma team feels like writing it. Patches will most likely be welcome, however.
(not saying "shut up or send a patch", just "don't hold your breath until
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