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FSF offers "GNU Bucks" for finding nonfree works in free distributions

FSF offers "GNU Bucks" for finding nonfree works in free distributions

Posted Oct 6, 2009 14:04 UTC (Tue) by nye (guest, #51576)
In reply to: FSF offers "GNU Bucks" for finding nonfree works in free distributions by elanthis
Parent article: FSF offers "GNU Bucks" for finding nonfree works in free distributions

Your post was fairly unfocussed, but there are two points I'd like to pick up on.

First, is that the FSF has always been thinking more long-term than most of its opponents. There are constantly complaints made that the FSF's methods and ideals are impractical, where the implicit meaning is 'impractical *in the short term*'. The FSF's positions are entirely practical over terms more like a decade or two - in fact, they're far *more* practical over that length of time than the 'pragmatic' positions of today. Sure it wouldn't be reasonable for *everybody* to follow the FSF position, but we need *somebody* to take that line, in order to progress. Too many people forget that it's worth sacrificing a pawn today if that means taking the opponent's queen in five moves' time.

The second point is about the naming. You say that nobody uses the term 'Microsoft Windows Vista', and in a sense that's true - most reasonably savvy people are likely to say they're running 'Vista'; the others might just say they're running 'Microsoft', if you're lucky. But take a look at anywhere it's written down by an organisation - you'll almost always see 'Microsoft(R) Windows(R) Vista'. The point is that it's an unfair comparison to compare a colloquial name with a 'full' name. Also, the 'GNU/Linux' business has become a lot more meaningful recently, since we now have non-GNU Linuxes (notably Android), which kind of ties in with the first point because the FSF preƫmpted that issue by quite some time.


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FSF offers "GNU Bucks" for finding nonfree works in free distributions

Posted Oct 6, 2009 15:45 UTC (Tue) by foom (subscriber, #14868) [Link]

> First, is that the FSF has always been thinking more long-term than most of its opponents.

For that to be true, in this case, I want to see them decrying the evils of non-free *embedded*
firmware. I mean that seriously, I want someone to take up that call! It is a problem that needs
solving, there is way too much mysterious software (ahem "firmware") in modern systems doing
who-knows-what. But they completely ignore this, instead focusing only on the non-free firmware
that has to be uploaded to the hardware. Which IMO is a seriously warped and fairly useless view of
"100% free".

FSF offers "GNU Bucks" for finding nonfree works in free distributions

Posted Oct 6, 2009 17:40 UTC (Tue) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]

exactly, if they were decrying all non-free firmware I would agree with their goal (even if considering it a bit of tilting at windmills still), but with their emphasis being only to attack firmware in ram and directing people to buy devices with the firmware in flash/rom instead I see them as activly harmful to their stated goal

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