Ahhhhh. The whining refrain from someone complaining about 'bloat' on his machine. Quite frankly, most users want their desktops and applications to actually do things and they don't care about you. Nobody is interested in whether *you* don't think you need a SQL server. If you're that bothered then go and write something yourself. Some light reading:
Posted Sep 23, 2009 11:02 UTC (Wed) by nye (guest, #51576)
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And people wonder why MS has near total desktop domination.
KDE's Project Silk
Posted Sep 23, 2009 11:21 UTC (Wed) by anselm (subscriber, #2796)
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Well, maybe it's just me, but if I have to have bloat then I want that
bloat to actually *work*. This is something that Akonadi so far has failed
to deliver for me -- it insists on launching its MySQL server and trying
to import stuff from our LDAP server, but then it basically quits and says
»I'm broken, I can't do anything«. Of course once it has noticed that it
is, in fact, useless it would be much too much to expect it to clean up
after itself
(say, by killing the MySQL server again). Incidentally, the help link on
the dialog in question
leads to a 404 error. I don't mind debugging stuff but if people actually
seem to go actively out of their way to make it difficult then I have
better things to do
with my time.
I'm cool with bloat that actually delivers something worthwhile on top of
what is already there. What I am less enthusiastic about is developers who
appear to spend all their time pushing the envelope
and don't seem to care about the
day-to-day stuff. They're busy working on a car that will fly (and it
actually does, in the wind channel in the lab) but the fact that the
steering wheel falls off the moment the car
is being driven out of the driveway into the road is below their attention
threshold. (After all, flying is much more important, and the rest is just
trivial stuff that the users can fix if they are »bothered«.)
I'm looking forward to the day
when Kontact will actually be able to maintain a stable connection to an
IMAP server that is running on the same machine, with no gratuitous hangs.
This has never worked quite right as far as I am concerned -- it's OK most
of
the time but once or twice a day Kmail just hangs until either the IMAP
server is restarted or a timeout happens. (In point of fact the IMAP
server is only necessary in the first place because Kmail doesn't handle
Maildirs the way it ought to,
according to the author of the offlineimap utility, which doesn't
appear to be a problem with other MUAs.)
*Maybe* Akonadi will help there
but I'm not holding my breath. I'm also looking forward to the day that
the message editor in Kmail will once more handle Ctrl-K the way it is
supposed to, which is apparently broken in KDE 4.x. There is more stuff in
the KDE 4.x Kmail that used to work in 3.5 but no longer does -- but hey,
the developers are working on an INTEGRATED FRAMEWORK so who cares about
little annoyances like these? If the users are »that bothered« with them
they can go and fix them themselves, because the developers are too
important to worry about them. If a user dares voice an opinion that
something the exalted developers have decided may not, in fact, be the
greatest idea on Earth then they're »whining«. Right?
KDE's Project Silk
Posted Sep 23, 2009 14:15 UTC (Wed) by boudewijn (subscriber, #14185)
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Come off your high horse and get real.
Do you really think the developers think that way? They aren't in it for
gratuitous coolness, as much as it might please your ego to believe that.
Don't be ridiculous. There are people working really hard to solve real,
hard problems -- problems that didn't exist in the days when KMail was
first designed, which only surface with today's email load. It's actually
one of the things that is developed commercially, instead of by misled
volunteer enthusiasts -- there are actual customers paying for akonadi,
kontact and kolab.
It's no doubt fun to rant like this, but you're simply wrong about the
developers motivations and priorities.
KDE's Project Silk
Posted Sep 24, 2009 8:16 UTC (Thu) by anselm (subscriber, #2796)
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Whatever. But I suppose that even those »paying customers« would like
their Ctrl-Ks to work correctly ...