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EU investigates Oracle's planned acquisition of SunEU investigates Oracle's planned acquisition of SunPosted Sep 4, 2009 1:42 UTC (Fri) by sbergman27 (guest, #10767)In reply to: EU investigates Oracle's planned acquisition of Sun by marduk Parent article: EU investigates Oracle's planned acquisition of Sun
> It's a funny thing, but, when you conduct business in a foreign country you have to abide by their rules.
That's why we really need a world government administered by multinational corps. This sovereignty crap is just too inefficient.
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EU investigates Oracle's planned acquisition of Sun Posted Sep 4, 2009 6:12 UTC (Fri) by AlexHudson (guest, #41828) [Link]
There is a grain of truth in that, insofar as if the EU takes months or years on this there won't be an awful lot of Sun left - it really needs to be sorted out swiftly, at whatever level.
Given the various development groups that are now working on MySQL I find it a bit difficult to see why the EU thinks it is in danger.
EU investigates Oracle's planned acquisition of Sun Posted Sep 4, 2009 8:03 UTC (Fri) by DennisJ (subscriber, #14700) [Link]
The non-GPL version is in danger.
EU investigates Oracle's planned acquisition of Sun Posted Sep 4, 2009 18:09 UTC (Fri) by zonker (guest, #7867) [Link]
No. The continued contribution from a specific corporate sponsored entity to
the GPL'ed version is in danger.
The GPL'ed version that is out there will always be available under the GPL
EU investigates Oracle's planned acquisition of Sun Posted Sep 5, 2009 12:22 UTC (Sat) by DennisJ (subscriber, #14700) [Link]
No? So it wouldn't be possible for Oracle to send letters to the customers of
the non-GPL version saying: "The MySQL product you have bought has reached end of life. If you need a supported product, your options include buying an Oracle license, or releasing your application under the GPL."?
EU investigates Oracle's planned acquisition of Sun Posted Sep 12, 2009 7:55 UTC (Sat) by trasz (guest, #45786) [Link]
In fact it's the GPL-ed version that is in danger. Original creators won't develop it it anymore, because they can't make money on it anymore - thanks to GPL, they can't do what they used to be and what Postgres folks do, which is having their own, closed versions with added features or performance.
EU investigates Oracle's planned acquisition of Sun Posted Sep 12, 2009 12:13 UTC (Sat) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]
Yeah. Similarly, Linux is in grave danger because it's GPLed. Nobody will
contribute features to it anymore.
Oh, wait.
(reality: 1. trasz: 0.)
EU investigates Oracle's planned acquisition of Sun Posted Sep 12, 2009 12:39 UTC (Sat) by trasz (guest, #45786) [Link]
Operating system is a completely different situation, because, for the most part, it's only a tool for selling hardware. For example, IBM can safely contribute code that makes it perform better on Z/Architecture, because noone other than IBM manufactures this kind of hardware, and nobody but their customers can take advantage of it. Large contributions not related to hardware support doesn't happen that often - for example, notice that, after four years since Sun released ZFS as open source, Linux is still stuck at the 20 year old LVM + filesystem model. On the graphics front, Linux and Xorg guys are still trying to mimic architecture introduced by Apple in OSX ten years ago. Most of the "new functionality" recently implemented by Linux - interrupt threads, for example - was available in other systems years ago as well - and even when it finally comes to Linux, it's often in some bastardized form (compare e.g. devmapper to GEOM, or Linux Security Modules to FreeBSD MAC). So yes, innovation doesn't really happen in Linux - and one could argue that it has something to do with the obligation to give away your code to your competitors, for free, so they can take it and sell the same thing you sell, only cheaper - because you had to invest your money in the code, not them.
Another argument may be recent (ok, not so recent anymore) change in IBM's approach to Linux - I remember IBM's Linux commercials few years ago on (iirc) CNN; now, IBM is back to pushing AIX instead, claiming that it performs better, has more features and is safer; they give Linux only to customers that really want it.
EU investigates Oracle's planned acquisition of Sun Posted Sep 4, 2009 11:48 UTC (Fri) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]
Well, that's a pretty good description of the EU (except that it doesn't cover the whole world).
Brussels is hardly a paragon of efficiency though (just look at the perennial fraud at very high levels and the ridiculous jaunts to and from Strasbourg all the time). Efficiency was never really its goal. Binding the EU members together so tightly that they'd never dare war on each other, but rather bicker in fancy conference rooms, was the goal. It seems to work pretty well.
EU investigates Oracle's planned acquisition of Sun Posted Sep 4, 2009 15:42 UTC (Fri) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]
It's also a pretty good way for a relative small group of people to gain control over a entire continent. Some people are now able to do pretty much whatever they want while those governmental officials are bickering with each other and people's attention are tied up in petty things and how stupid USA is, and how it's American's fault. Yay government run media!
Have some decency, EU Posted Sep 5, 2009 9:55 UTC (Sat) by man_ls (subscriber, #15091) [Link] And the worst thing is: we EU citizens are happy most of the time with their evil doings! They don't even make us mad except at select occasions! (Not like country and local governments where we get to complain a lot, all the time, and watch them like hawks.) That is pure evil genius.
Have some decency, EU Posted Sep 7, 2009 22:49 UTC (Mon) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]
Yes. That's because while the EU is the source of a lot of local laws,
most of what it does is *dead boring*. So obviously most people don't care about it, or at least aren't unhappy.
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