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Skud, etc.Skud, etc.Posted Aug 28, 2009 20:49 UTC (Fri) by Skud (guest, #59840)In reply to: Skud, etc. by jordanb Parent article: FSF to host a mini-summit on Women in Free Software
Also (having gone to the kitchen for a glass of water and thought of more on the way back), you need to realise that what you just suggested is something we hear *all the time*. People saying "sure, our community sucks and is sexist, but you would all just hang around and take it for a while, it might get better." Sometimes there's also an implication that it's our *duty* to hang around and do so.
Sorry, no. I'm a busy person with a lot of stuff going on. How about the existing members/commenters on LWN pick up their acts, and then when you have, we might find that we have the energy to come here and talk about other things.
FYI: how we (geek feminists) usually judge whether a site's worth spending our energy on, is to look at how they behaved in the last discussion on sexism. If we see a site where people saying "sexism doesn't exist" or "women just aren't interested" are in a startling minority and are set straight immediately, then that's somewhere we can feel reasonably safe and welcome. Otherwise, we mostly just roll our eyes and avoid (I do this for /. and digg, for example) or occasionally dive in to specific threads, wear ourselves out, then disappear til the next round.
Consider LWN lucky that we do dive in here occasionally, rather than just avoiding it entirely.
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Skud, etc. Posted Aug 28, 2009 23:44 UTC (Fri) by hppnq (guest, #14462) [Link] I think it would be great if more women would hang out here. I wanted to suggest something similar yesterday, but then I thought that this may be how it would be perceived and went back to doing other things.I hope the summit will yield more fruitful results. Your criticism regarding LWN and its readers is very harsh, and frankly, unjust. Which you would hopefully agree with if you would actually hang out here. FWIW, I have been here for ten years and I make a point of alternating the use of "she" and "he". There have been precious few comments in this thread that I thought made a lot of sense. It is not at all surprising that the sensible comments were also the nicest sounding ones. In some weeks from now, there will be another article here, and again, there will be comments that are belittling, inaccurate, prejudiced, privileged and downright sexist. I hope you will join us again then, and that we can all have a normal conversation, at a normal tone, about this important topic.
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