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Women don't have the same passion for open source men do? Really??Women don't have the same passion for open source men do? Really??Posted Aug 27, 2009 21:43 UTC (Thu) by BrucePerens (guest, #2510)In reply to: Women don't have the same passion for open source men do? Really?? by Myrtti Parent article: FSF to host a mini-summit on Women in Free Software Hi, Since you are one of the people summoned to a thread already in progress, I feel it my duty to inform you that nobody was attempting to say that you don't exist. The topic is why there are not more women involved, and whether this is due to internal to Free Software issues or external ones. I believe that some of the problems, and indeed the most significant ones, are external to Free Software. I think one significant problem is early childhood education serving as a demotivator of women to participate in technical volunteerism as well as technical occupations. Beyond that, the question is whether there is something different about women - not you obviously but women as a population - that make them less interested in technical volunteerism. We have more data regarding technical occupations. I would be really glad to see a serious discussion of this.
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Women don't have the same passion for open source men do? Really?? Posted Aug 27, 2009 22:18 UTC (Thu) by Skud (guest, #59840) [Link]
Speaking of "threads already in progress", are you aware that this discussion is part of a larger thread that's been going on for at least a decade? From where I'm sitting, you're the one coming to a thread in progress, not having read the FAQs, reiterating threads that have previously been covered in enormous depth by people with greater knowledge of the subject area, and acting as if you know all the answers despite being (AFAICT) a complete newbie in the field.
It's like if I showed up on the Debian mailing lists and suggested that Debian would be much more popular and successful if it would only include a Flash player in the distro.
Women don't have the same passion for open source men do? Really?? Posted Aug 27, 2009 22:23 UTC (Thu) by jordanb (guest, #45668) [Link]
> It's like if I showed up on the Debian mailing lists and suggested that Debian would be much more popular and successful if it would only include a Flash player in the distro.
FYI: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/gnash
;)
Women don't have the same passion for open source men do? Really?? Posted Aug 27, 2009 22:57 UTC (Thu) by maco (guest, #53641) [Link]
I think she means Adobe's, installed by default :P
Women don't have the same passion for open source men do? Really?? Posted Aug 27, 2009 23:00 UTC (Thu) by Skud (guest, #59840) [Link]
What? No, that can't be right. What I want to know is why there isn't Flash support in Debian.
Women don't have the same passion for open source men do? Really?? Posted Aug 27, 2009 23:24 UTC (Thu) by BrucePerens (guest, #2510) [Link] The program he pointed out does support Flash. Not as well as the version from Adobe, yet.
Women don't have the same passion for open source men do? Really?? Posted Aug 27, 2009 23:28 UTC (Thu) by Skud (guest, #59840) [Link]
I don't think that's true. I think the problem is that Debian doesn't have Flash support. Why don't we address that first?
(Do I need to put emoticons here to make this clearer? Would ";)" help?)
Women don't have the same passion for open source men do? Really?? Posted Aug 27, 2009 23:46 UTC (Thu) by BrucePerens (guest, #2510) [Link] :-)Well, I would swear that when I ran gnash as a mozilla plugin, I saw the not-HTML menus and animations that were supposed to use flash. Just slowly, and using a lot of memory.
Women don't have the same passion for open source men do? Really?? Posted Sep 6, 2009 8:09 UTC (Sun) by mdz@debian.org (subscriber, #14112) [Link]
Bruce, if you read the past few messages carefully, I think you'll find that
Skud was making an analogy, mirroring the ignorance, and unwillingness to listen, which is so often displayed by men when this subject comes up.
Your line of argument sounds, to someone with a working knowledge of
With apologies for spoiling the joke by spelling it out...
Women don't have the same passion for open source men do? Really?? Posted Aug 27, 2009 23:34 UTC (Thu) by jordanb (guest, #45668) [Link]
Q: Why isn't there flash support in Debian?
A: There is! The GNU Gnash player is installed by default, and it supports the Flash file format. Unfortunatly, it's not 100% complete in its support yet, but progress is being made.
Q: Why isn't Adobe's proprietary Flash player distributed on Debian media, such that it is installed by default?
A: You'd have to ask Adobe about this. Their licensing terms forbid it.
Q: Why doesn't Debian provide an installer that fetches Adobe Flash Player from adobe.com?
A: It does. The package is called flashplugin-nonfree.
Q: Why is flashplugin-nonfree in 'contrib' instead of 'main'?
A: Because it relies on non-free software, which prevents it from going in 'main' per the Debian Free Software Guidelines.
Q: I don't care about the DFSG. Why isn't installing packages from 'contrib' enabled by default on my debian system?
A: Because when asked, during installation, you said that the 'contrib' repository should not be automatically enabled for you.
Hope that clears things up. ;)
Debian Posted Aug 28, 2009 5:00 UTC (Fri) by njs (guest, #40338) [Link]
I saw a web page that says you just have to log in as root and go to adobe.com and download it.
But I haven't tried yet because I keep getting errors about my video card. I tried changing the permissions but it didn't help. What kinds of idiot designed this? It's a *brand-new* nvidia g10000, it works fine in Windows. Linux sucks :-(
I think I'm going to try this thing my friend told me about called "automatix", do you know it?
Women don't have the same passion for open source men do? Really?? Posted Aug 27, 2009 23:23 UTC (Thu) by BrucePerens (guest, #2510) [Link] You're chiding me for being a newbie after explaining in your paper how bad it is to do that. :-)I really do appreciate having you attach some data to this issue. The LWN discussion was not terribly factual with men telling other men what was going on with the women. Like many newbies, I think I have something to contribute to the issue. The proper reaction is not to smash me down before I have a chance.
Women don't have the same passion for open source men do? Really?? Posted Aug 28, 2009 5:12 UTC (Fri) by rictic (guest, #58655) [Link] Like many newbies, I think I have something to contribute to the issue. The proper reaction is not to smash me down before I have a chance. And if, having been linked to a number articles, a FAQ and a wiki, you continue to evidence a lack of examination of the conversation already in progress? A more forceful indication that the newbie go and educate themselves before continuing, or at least ask questions rather than making suggestions seems appropriate to me.
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