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OK, I'll bite. Sides of this issue you might not be consideringOK, I'll bite. Sides of this issue you might not be consideringPosted Aug 26, 2009 23:09 UTC (Wed) by mjg59 (subscriber, #23239)In reply to: OK, I'll bite. Sides of this issue you might not be considering by BrucePerens Parent article: FSF to host a mini-summit on Women in Free Software While I believe that the way we represent ourselves may indeed make women uncomfortable sometimes, I still don't believe that's why there are so few women participating What would it take to get you to believe that? This is a serious question.
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OK, I'll bite. Sides of this issue you might not be considering Posted Aug 27, 2009 0:01 UTC (Thu) by BrucePerens (guest, #2510) [Link] Well, I do not see that the emotional challenges of insensitive male discussion that a woman meets in working with free software are greater in scale than the challenges that woman might meet if she volunteered to work in a hospital or as an intern at a law firm or a congressional page. There are stories about each. And yet, they have significant female participation.
OK, I'll bite. Sides of this issue you might not be considering Posted Aug 27, 2009 2:29 UTC (Thu) by maco (guest, #53641) [Link]
I think this is where the difference between "I'll put up with their shit because the pay is good, and it cant get *too* bad since there are rules at the office" and "I don't need this from something that I'm doing in my free time that's supposed to be *fun*" comes in.
OK, I'll bite. Sides of this issue you might not be considering Posted Aug 27, 2009 4:35 UTC (Thu) by BrucePerens (guest, #2510) [Link] Candy-stripers don't get paid. And they do get abused, between male staff who think they're fresh meat and the union folks who think they're scabs. And yet, lots of women do it.
OK, I'll bite. Sides of this issue you might not be considering Posted Aug 27, 2009 16:05 UTC (Thu) by maco (guest, #53641) [Link]
Candy-stripers still exist? I thought they were a World War II era thing, and nowadays hospitals employ real Registered Nurses.
OK, I'll bite. Sides of this issue you might not be considering Posted Aug 27, 2009 17:14 UTC (Thu) by BrucePerens (guest, #2510) [Link] Hospitals employ registered nurses, and many also have volunteers who perform lesser tasks than the registered nurses. Candy-striper is one designation for such people, because of the pink and white striped uniform. They still exist. Often the nurses are unionized, and sometimes there is tension between them and the non-unionized volunteers.
OK, I'll bite. Sides of this issue you might not be considering Posted Aug 27, 2009 21:46 UTC (Thu) by hypatiadotca (guest, #60478) [Link]
And presumably the volunteers in a hospital are able to access the same venues for redress of things like harassment as the paid employees are. At least they can in every organization I've ever volunteered with, though none of them have been hospitals.
After all, there's an additional incentive to not lose volunteers, since the organization isn't paying for their labour.
OK, I'll bite. Sides of this issue you might not be considering Posted Aug 27, 2009 23:07 UTC (Thu) by BrucePerens (guest, #2510) [Link] And presumably the volunteers in a hospital are able to access the same venues for redress of things like harassment as the paid employees are.I am not so optimistic that the situation is fair to the little people. The hospital has much higher stakes in dealing with the union than with volunteers. It is a lot easier for the volunteer to walk out than to accuse some "important" doctor and have a long controversy in which she is tarred too - including in the newspaper. And managements all around have tended to prefer to keep such things quiet.
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