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where does it says that?where does it says that?Posted Aug 11, 2009 22:27 UTC (Tue) by roc (subscriber, #30627)In reply to: where does it says that? by sbergman27 Parent article: Ubuntu removes "multisearch"
So basically you object to browsers having a search box with a default search engine setting.
Firefox's search box even shows the Google icon and the word "Google" before you type into it, so users will know where their search is going. And changing the search engine setting is as simple as clicking on the icon and choosing from the dropdown.
In fact you must dislike other browsers even more. Epiphany, for example, will do searches from the location bar without even showing you beforehand that they're going to Google, and doesn't even provide an easy way to change the destination search engine. The horror!
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where does it says that? Posted Aug 11, 2009 22:35 UTC (Tue) by sbergman27 (guest, #10767) [Link]
> So basically you object to browsers having a search box with a default search engine setting.
I object to them doing so and collecting $70 million a year without providing some sort of choice to the user up front.
You make a reasonable point regarding the Epiphany location bar. I'll file a complaint. It's not a feature I use. I doubt the Epiphany project is making $70 million a year off it, though.
where does it says that? Posted Aug 11, 2009 23:01 UTC (Tue) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]
Assuming you are going to use a search engine at all, they are going to collect some data and use it to sell more advertisements. That is their business model. Whether you use Firefox, Epiphany, Midori, Google Chrome, Konqueror or something else is irrelevant. What Google ends up paying Mozilla is for the privilege of being the default search engine and Google was already the default before any agreement between Mozilla and Google was ever signed and since Google is what most users use as a search engine, it is a win win situation.
The choice is plain and simple and hardly takes a couple of seconds in a very visible drop down box. Installing additional search engines is pretty trivial as well. If anything, Firefox provides more choice here than other browsers.
where does it says that? Posted Aug 11, 2009 23:17 UTC (Tue) by sbergman27 (guest, #10767) [Link]
Question. Is Fedora or Red Hat making money from Google, either directly or indirectly?
where does it says that? Posted Aug 11, 2009 23:40 UTC (Tue) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]
As far as I know, no.
where does it says that? Posted Aug 12, 2009 5:10 UTC (Wed) by njs (guest, #40338) [Link]
Err -- so sending people to Google by default is fine, the problem is that if they're going to do this (and really, they sort of have to for UI reasons), they should tell Google to spend that $70 million on closed source stuff in-house instead?
I definitely keep a wary eye on Google and friends, and find it annoying that I have to install AdBlock myself. But what I get in return is hundreds of people working full-time to build me a better browser and fight for an open web. I agree that people should be aware of what's going on, but I contend that it's entirely possible to understand the situation and still support it.
(Disclosure: I don't have any direct connection to Mozilla, but several friends work there.)
where does it says that? Posted Aug 12, 2009 5:33 UTC (Wed) by sbergman27 (guest, #10767) [Link]
> I agree that people should be aware of what's going on, but I contend that it's entirely possible to understand the situation and still support it.
Sure. But I wonder what percentage of FF pawns are "aware of what's going on", and "understand the situation".
Our current Microsoft overlord came to power while we were still too much focused upon our old IBM overlord. In 10 years time, I don't want to be fighting the iron grip that Google has on us all. A grip which we are willingly giving it today.
If you are still casting Mozilla Corp as a "Freedom Fighter", you are not keeping a wary enough eye upon Google and friends, if I may be so bold as to say so.
where does it says that? Posted Aug 12, 2009 6:49 UTC (Wed) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]
I suspect most people simply don't care. I consider myself to be very hot
on personal privacy, but the news that a search engine receive my search queries and IP address is utterly unsurprising and not anything anybody could possibly ever do anything about.
The news that Firefox receives lots of money from Google in exchange for
where does it says that? Posted Aug 12, 2009 7:56 UTC (Wed) by njs (guest, #40338) [Link]
> Our current Microsoft overlord came to power while we were still too much focused upon our old IBM overlord. In 10 years time, I don't want to be fighting the iron grip that Google has on us all. A grip which we are willingly giving it today.
I agree, but don't see any connection to the current article. Is there a freedom-supporting search engine that you would rather Firefox default to instead? Or how *should* Mozilla be fighting back against Google, exactly?
> If you are still casting Mozilla Corp as a "Freedom Fighter", you are not keeping a wary enough eye upon Google and friends, if I may be so bold as to say so.
I've seen plenty of concrete stuff that Mozilla folk have done to open up the web and keep it that way, and their governance structure makes it near-illegal for them to do anything else. So sure, you can be that bold, but I won't believe you unless you can back it up with more than ominous hand-waving and guilt-by-association.
where does it says that? Posted Aug 13, 2009 21:06 UTC (Thu) by rscharfe (subscriber, #39299) [Link]
> Is there a freedom-supporting search engine that you would rather Firefox default to instead?
The only search engine I know of that claims to respect your privacy is this one: http://www.ixquick.com/eng/protect_privacy.html.
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