|| ||"Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier" <jzb-QJ5e30gfbnmsTnJN9+BGXg-AT-public.gmane.org> |
|| ||Will Stephenson <wstephenson-l3A5Bk7waGM-AT-public.gmane.org> |
|| ||Re: openFATE feature 306967, KDE default |
|| ||Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:49:10 -0400|
|| ||Article, Thread
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Will Stephenson<wstephenson-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> I have never suggested an inverse Canonical+GNOME. I am talking about a
> political statement, but those terms are loaded with plenty of negative
> connotations. Call it a marketing direction. We market to the clear
> preferences of our existing users (in most places a 70/30 split is pretty
> clear - look at the enterprise Linux market). We market to a large and
> vibrant developer community - it's clear that the majority of future
> innovation in openSUSE is going to come from the community. And a largely
> untapped community rather than one already aligned with our two largest
> competitors. So call it a strategic shift, call it a marketing move, call it
> a political statement, but recognise the benefits.
I cede that there are possible benefits, but there are also
consequences -- and I think that the negative consequences outweigh
the potential benefits.
* We may invigorate our KDE users to become contributors
* We may encourage some KDE contributors to choose openSUSE
* We demonstrate that openSUSE Project is truly open enough to make
decisions independent of Novell
Don't think for a second that I don't support the last point heavily.
I just don't think this is the right decision.
* We may alienate our GNOME users -- while a smaller percentage than
our KDE users, ~30% of the community is still important to me.
* We may alienate our GNOME contributors
* We will not encourage any GNOME contributors to choose openSUSE if
they're not already here
* We probably wind up having further conversations about "defaults"
with future releases, such as burying GNOME to "other" with 11.3, or
>> > This should not weaken our support for GNOME, XFCE or anything else.
>> > Look at Kubuntu, which has become a successful project in its own right
>> > despite initial hostility and neglect from Canonical, or Fedora-kde,
>> > which has a contributor community that is of the about the same size as
>> > the openSUSE-kde community.
>> Then the feature is pointless -- if you're trying to achieve the
>> inverse of what Ubuntu and Fedora have with GNOME, it would require an
>> actual *focus on KDE. And that's not on the table, so what we'll have
>> is a political statement just to say "lots of our users use KDE and
>> want us to make a political statement that we'll wave the KDE flag a
>> bit higher than the GNOME flag."
> You're putting words in my mouth there - I am quite aware what's on the table.
> Political statements can have 0 direct relevance to openSUSE but a large
> negative effect on us as a distribution, take the Microsoft deal. This one
> would have a net positive effect.
That's where we disagree - I feel it would be net negative. Only time
would tell, of course, but my tally differs from yours.
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