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KDE 4.3.0 Released: Caizen

From:  Sebastian Kügler <sebas-AT-kde.org>
To:  kde-announce-AT-kde.org
Subject:  [kde-announce] KDE 4.3.0 Released: Caizen
Date:  Tue, 4 Aug 2009 18:18:36 +0200
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  KDE 4.3 (Codename: "Caizen") Delivers Incremental Innovations to the Free Desktop 
Users and Software Developers

4 August, 2009. The KDE Community today announces the immediate availability of 
"Caizen", (a.k.a KDE 4.3), bringing many improvements to the user experience and 
development platform. KDE 4.3 continues to refine the unique features brought in 
previous releases while bringing new innovations. With the 4.2 release aimed at the 
majority of end users, KDE 4.3 offers a more stable and complete product for the home 
and small office. 

The KDE community has fixed over 10,000 bugs and implemented almost 2,000 feature 
requests in the last 6 months. Close to 63,000 changes were checked in by a little 
under 700 contributors. Read on for an overview of the changes in the KDE 4.3 Desktop 
Workspace, Application Suites and the KDE 4.3 Development Platform. 

Read more at: http://kde.org/announcements/4.3/
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KDE 4.3.0 Released: Caizen

Posted Aug 4, 2009 19:59 UTC (Tue) by ncm (subscriber, #165) [Link]

'Cause I hate those _old_ innovations so much.

Hint:
in.no.va.tion:
1: the introduction of something new
2: a new idea, method, or device : novelty
(from Latin "novus", new.)

KDE 4.3.0 Released: Caizen

Posted Aug 4, 2009 21:15 UTC (Tue) by boudewijn (subscriber, #14185) [Link]

Ooooh! Smart! Witty! Showing off close reading skills. Of course -- one
could just read the English as if it were workaday English, and understand
that in addition to the new stuff brought by earlier KDE 4.x, there is
actually more new stuff in this release.

KDE 4.3.0 Released: Caizen

Posted Aug 5, 2009 11:50 UTC (Wed) by rsidd (subscriber, #2582) [Link]

Hm, why do you hate the Web? Wasn't Berners-Lee's idea a very nice innovation?

Or are you saying it is still new? What about the telephone? The printing press? Which old innovation do you hate, exactly?

KDE 4.3.0 Released: Caizen

Posted Aug 5, 2009 15:39 UTC (Wed) by k8to (subscriber, #15413) [Link]

She or he is saying the word new used juxtaposed with the word innovation is fundamentally redundant.

KDevelop4

Posted Aug 4, 2009 20:17 UTC (Tue) by christian.convey (subscriber, #39159) [Link]

Anyone know when KDevelop4 will come out with a new release?

That project was *almost* polished enough for me to use a few months ago, but I can't tell if they're even actively working on it these days.

KDevelop4

Posted Aug 4, 2009 21:19 UTC (Tue) by boudewijn (subscriber, #14185) [Link]

Not sure about a new release. David Nolden has been pretty busy with his
Phd recently, but despite announcing he wouldn't have time for KDeveloper
anymore, he's been committing anyway. KDevelop really is incredibly cool:
but they do need more developers working on things like spit & polish.
Which is the perfect way of getting into a really exciting and innovative
project. KDevelop already can do more with your C++ codebase than any IDE
I've used (and those include eclipse, visual studio, netbeans, qt-creator,
borland vc++ and Emacs).

backwards compatibility

Posted Aug 4, 2009 20:57 UTC (Tue) by gorpon (subscriber, #25040) [Link]

IMHO the KDE folks have been pretty draconian about breaking what has turned out to be a brittle API from kde3 to kde4.

I thought window managers were supposed to make things easier :/

Hopefully this redesign will lead to more flexible coupling, or is this just the price of running apps that start with a "K" and I should just deal with it and say goodbye to all those wonderful kde3 apps that are no longer maintained?

backwards compatibility

Posted Aug 4, 2009 21:23 UTC (Tue) by boudewijn (subscriber, #14185) [Link]

Window managers? Are you sure you know what you're talking about? Like, do
a sloccount on KDE as a whole, and then on kwin... The window manager. And
which KDE 3 apps are no longer maintained?

But, yes, the move the Qt4 was quite painful. And for us app maintainers,
the development period leading up to KDE 4.0 was very painful, too. But
we're getting back now -- don't be mislead by the version numbering. KDE
4's development goes much faster than KDE 3's version numbering, so 4.3 is
about where we were with 3.5 -- a great platform to develop against and
on.

backwards compatibility

Posted Aug 4, 2009 21:34 UTC (Tue) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]

I think he was trolling. A bit odd.

Personally I never liked KDE a whole lot. But it's good to have for the folks that don't like Gnome. With the growing number of freedesktop standards that Gnome and KDE follow it's now possible to transition between the two without giving up much.

If KDE 4.3 truly matches were they were with 3.5 then that would be fantastic.

backwards compatibility

Posted Aug 4, 2009 22:39 UTC (Tue) by jospoortvliet (subscriber, #33164) [Link]

Imho boud was a bit too enthousiastic there. It took us 3,5 years to go
from 3.0 to 3.5, and we're just 18 months into the KDE 4 series. We surely
haven't fleshed out things as much as we did with 3.5. But he is right in
that development speed is enormous - we've doubled the number of active
commiters to the average release over the last 3 or 4 years, and that's
huge. While this release was all about finishing stuff, it's far from
done. There will surely be issues and things which need fixing. Then
again, 3.5 was far from perfect either...

backwards compatibility

Posted Aug 4, 2009 23:57 UTC (Tue) by Duncan (guest, #6647) [Link]

> 4.3 is about where we were with 3.5

Uhh, as superstoned indicates, I think you're getting a bit ahead of
yourself there. I must admit that I'm still typing this from 4.2.4, which
I've finally been able to get working reasonably well, something that
simply wasn't possible with 4.1 let alone 4.0, but it took me about 80
hours of research, tweaks and workarounds to get it that way.

But I do think 4.x is moving faster than 3.x and have confidence that
KDE's moving in the right direction in general, or I'd have not stuck with
it that long, /especially/ that long! As SS pointed out, 3.5 was 3.5
years into 3.x, and we're 18 months into 4.x now. With six-month minors,
that should put 4.5 at 2.5 years in, and I DO think it'll be reaching 3.5
by then if not be 4.4. And even if it takes to 4.5 to reach it, that's
still 2.5 years to 3.5's 3.5 years, so still substantial speedup. And if
4.4 makes it, then that's only two years in, 18 months faster!

One of the big issues I have with 4.x is the lack of global multi-key
hotkeys (bug 161009, apparently no fix in site as the functionality is
apparently missing in a support lib now, qt4 maybe?). Probably 95% or
better of my app launches are hotkey based, and I HEAVILY used that in
3.x. Temporarily I've remapped to a meta-key setup, but it's not the
same. That's one of the workarounds, and given the bug status, I'd say it
can't have been fixed by 4.3 (tho there's a new app I found in Gentoo's
4.3 package sets, looking a couple days ago, that looks like it might be
related, intriguing me as to what might have changed...).

Another one that I REALLY hope is fixed in 4.3 is the infamous kde
immediately (konqueror and otherwise) timing out when trying to connect to
a local proxy (privoxy), as if it can't see it -- but firefox and kde3
have no problems seeing it. That one has had probably a score or more
bugs filed since 4.0, with several individual bugs fixed before 4.2.4, but
I still have the problem here, and I'm REALLY hoping 4.3 fixes it, as it's
REALLY irritating, particularly when plasmoids and the like that don't
have a shortcut to the proxy's own page (which apparently establishes the
connection and fixes the problem temporarily) exhibit the problem, since I
can then hit refresh repeatedly and not get anywhere, meaning that
(online, weather, etc) plasmoid is simply broken for that session. If
it's not, you can be sure I'll be filing the bug that I've been waiting to
file until I tested 4.3, since it was just about out. The good thing is
that I'm running Gentoo and can apply patches, etc for tracing and testing
if need be, so hopefully it'll go a bit better than for those running
binary distributions who don't know how to compile sources.

Another big one was a dual-horned bug, extremely slow compositing
reactions on a dual monitor setup too big to run OpenGL on my aging Radeon
9200, but which ran 3.5's compositing just fine on what is otherwise
exactly the same system both hardware and software. One horn on that was
that kde3 had a static desktop, and compositing a couple of static windows
and maybe a dynamic one on top of that wasn't too bad. But dynamically
updating plasmoids on the desktop trying to composite thru multiple layers
of windows simply didn't work so well! Once I discovered that and put all
the dynamic updaters on panels again, it helped a lot. The other horn was
that the default translucency delay was denominated in 100s of ms.
Apparently that's supposed to be total delay, but on my hardware, it seems
to be effectively per-step delay, so effects that should have taken half a
second were taking several seconds. After I figured that out and manually
tried tens of ms, now 1 ms, it works FAR better. Combine the two horns,
and I actually have usable response times now, with compositing enabled,
similar to what I had on 3.5.

That's a sample of the dozen or more issues I faced. No way can all of
them be fixed for 4.3, so it's certainly not yet approaching 3.5 here.
But the rate of improvement has indeed been very high, and 4.2.4 is
actually usable now, with the issues worked around or whatever. So I've
every reason to believe 4.5 will be comparable to 3.5, if 4.4 doesn't
reach it which it might, and indeed, that'll be a year to 18 months faster
than 3.x moved, so very good indeed, even if it's not quite to what you
were saying.

backwards compatibility

Posted Aug 5, 2009 1:39 UTC (Wed) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]

with your firefox problem, is there any chance that you are running into grief with the 'feature' that has firefox listening to dbus so that when the network connection drops it won't even try to get to things?

backwards compatibility

Posted Aug 6, 2009 3:04 UTC (Thu) by plunix (guest, #59652) [Link]

"And which KDE 3 apps are no longer maintained?" The most important one -- kicker. And another of the most important, kcontrol. Last I checked those weren't the only ones, but it's been awhile and that may have changed.

backwards compatibility

Posted Aug 6, 2009 9:45 UTC (Thu) by hjernemadsen (subscriber, #5676) [Link]

Well, kcontrol have been replaced by system-settings, which if you're a
fan of the treeview approach used in kcontrol have been quite hard to
navigate.

But with KDE 4.3, it is possible to switch system-settings to use a
treeview, which makes it look quite a lot like the old kcontrol.

There is a (small) screenshot of it here:

http://blogs.computerworld.com/a_first_look_at_kde_4_3

KDE 4.3.0 Released: Caizen

Posted Aug 5, 2009 0:58 UTC (Wed) by horen (subscriber, #2514) [Link]

Been running 4.2.4, then 4.3RC3, via Linux Mint 7, and my dual-PIII/1.4GHz workstation w/2GB RAM was SO SLOW...

...that I "upgraded" to KDE/3.5 alongside /4.2.4, via Pearson Computing's KDE3.5 Repository for Ubuntu Intrepid and Above

Even running Firefox/3.5.2, memory use is <650MB and latency is very low.

KDE 4.3.0 Released: Caizen

Posted Aug 5, 2009 9:29 UTC (Wed) by boudewijn (subscriber, #14185) [Link]

What's your graphics card? And is there a difference when you disable kwin's effects?

KDE 4.3.0 Released: Caizen

Posted Aug 5, 2009 10:43 UTC (Wed) by mlankhorst (subscriber, #52260) [Link]

Found my first kde 4.3 bug in konsole: the vim cursor is now off-by-one, found out through
weird compiler errors ;)

KDE 4.3.0 Released: Caizen

Posted Aug 5, 2009 10:52 UTC (Wed) by boudewijn (subscriber, #14185) [Link]

Ew... I immediately made a bug report: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=202607. Either it's a
really new regression (I've been using the rc's for a long time, or it explains why vim has been
vaguely irritating me for some time.

Bluetooth?

Posted Aug 5, 2009 19:06 UTC (Wed) by eru (subscriber, #2753) [Link]

The Bluetooth support seems to be nowhere near what it is in KDE 3.5. I'm test-driving KDE 4.3 on the OpenSUSE 11.1 live CD mentioned in another article (writing this text on it), and all I can do with Bluetooth is send a file from the PC to the phone (suggesting my Bluetooth dongle hardware is supported), but not in the other direction. I also cannot browse the files on the phone conveniently in the file manager, like was possible in KDE 3.5. Actually I saw exactly the same lack of functionality also in the latest Mandriva I tried with KDE 4.2 (I think). Looks like I will not be updating the KDE on my home PC's main Linux installation yet, since backing-up photos and video clips from the phone is one of the more useful things I use it for. (Maybe it is time to have look at obexfs?)

Bluetooth?

Posted Aug 6, 2009 11:18 UTC (Thu) by eru (subscriber, #2753) [Link]

Followup: Seems like a deficiency others have been complaining about as well: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=193241.

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