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Posted Jul 4, 2009 2:33 UTC (Sat) by giraffedata (subscriber, #1954)
In reply to: dependencies by jzbiciak
Parent article: Soft updates, hard problems

Hmm. "Too much function" sounds perfectly fine to me, but maybe it's just something I made up. I see the dictionary doesn't mention anything close to that meaning. It also doesn't cover other uses I'm sure I've heard around the engineering world, like "we're testing function this week and performance next week," or "is the patch just for maintainability, or does it affect function?"

And with "form follows function," I don't see how an implied "its" fits in there. I think an architect might well say, "I used to think just about form, but now I spend most of my time worrying about function."

But even if a certain feature of a device can't be considered a "piece of function," I can't see how it could be considered a "piece of functionality" either.

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Posted Jul 4, 2009 3:30 UTC (Sat) by giraffedata (subscriber, #1954) [Link]

Sure, but popularity is irrelevant to the point I'm making. In fact, I mentioned in my first post that "functionality" is widely used this way - it's why I thought it was worth mentioning. "Dependency" is quite a bit more popular than "dependence" in computer science discussions, but still wrong. Other phrasings that are in majority use but wrong: IDE to mean ATA, DB-9 to mean DE-9, RJ45 to mean the 8 position modular connector we use with Ethernet. "Could care less" to mean couldn't care less, gridlock to mean slow traffic, exponential growth to mean fast growth, steep learning curve to mean shallow learning curve.

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Posted Jul 4, 2009 9:18 UTC (Sat) by SiB (subscriber, #4048) [Link]

> Sure, but popularity is irrelevant to the point I'm making.

Language is supposed to serve people, not the other way. What people use and understand defines language, not the dictionary. The dictionary is supposed to record how people use language. Language evolves. Dictionaries need to follow that change. Popularity is all that matters. (I'm not a native English speaker, but what I said should apply to all languages in use.)

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Posted Jul 4, 2009 18:12 UTC (Sat) by giraffedata (subscriber, #1954) [Link]

Sure, but popularity is irrelevant to the point I'm making.
Language is supposed to serve people, not the other way. What people use and understand defines language, not the dictionary.

I agree, but I don't know why you bring it up. While I made the statement above about popularity, I didn't say anything about dictionaries except to say that the dictionary doesn't support my usage of "function."

Popularity is all that matters

Language serves people best by being logical, consistent, precise, and easily expressive. Those are not implied by popularity -- the number of people using a particular phrasing. When one chooses between two phrasings to write, the relative number of times one has heard one or the other should be a fairly minor factor.

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Posted Jul 4, 2009 12:12 UTC (Sat) by ajf (subscriber, #10844) [Link]

At the very least, "piece of functionality" has nearly 100k hits on Google

... and definately has nearly 14 million.

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Posted Jul 4, 2009 12:26 UTC (Sat) by jzbiciak (✭ supporter ✭, #5246) [Link]

...many of which are people complaining that it's to be spelled "definitely," which incidentally gets nearly 10x as many hits (over 128M).

How exactly have you invalidated the notion that the relative hit count between two directly comparable alternatives suggests which one is more likely to be correct? I'd be worried if "definitely" got 100k hits but "definately" got 14M.

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Posted Jul 4, 2009 16:29 UTC (Sat) by ajf (subscriber, #10844) [Link]

Quite right, I should have compared it to the definantly count and concluded definately was "more likely to be correct" - which an utterly worthless conclusion, because both are still wrong. And that's exactly where your comparison leaves us.