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Linux on Netbooks: The Smoking Gun (Groklaw)

Groklaw covers reports from Computex in Taiwan, regarding the death of Linux netbooks. "Is there no regulatory body that can get Microsoft's fat fanny off of Linux so it can get some air? Instead the DOJ are investigating *Google*? What Microsoft is reportedly doing is a pimple on the antitrust regulators' noses. We see it. Why can't you? Where are you? Please don't wait until Linux is totally crushed."
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Linux on Netbooks: The Smoking Gun (Groklaw)

Posted Jun 23, 2009 14:39 UTC (Tue) by pboddie (subscriber, #50784) [Link]

The end-to-end monopoly from the hardware vendor through to retail outlets is the thing that no regulator seems to have been bothered to address. Instead, we've had complaints about Web browsers and media players being bundled with Windows from companies with their own vested interests. If Apple had QuickTime bundled with Windows for a nice fee or Real Networks and AOL/Netscape had each received a nice cheque, those companies would have been quite content with Microsoft's market position.

Now, some people insist that "consumers want Windows" and thus don't want a choice, or would find a choice confusing. Others insist that it's in the economic interest of the hardware vendors to ship Windows, not only because of the perceived demand, but also because they can offset the cost of the licence with fees from software and service companies who want to advertise their products by pre-loading trial versions and other nonsense onto those vendors' machines. (Removing such software is presumably less confusing to "consumers" than offering them a fairly clean GNU/Linux distribution in the first place, even though some retailers apparently offer services to "clean up" the average Windows installation on a new computer, keeping those goalposts on the move defining what is and isn't confusing.) Regulatory solutions won't work while other incentives can be mobilized to keep the convenient anti-competitive arrangements exactly as they are now.

Just like in some countries around the sale of phones and Internet/telephony services, there should be price transparency when buying a computer: exactly what the subsidies are, how much is being paid for the Windows licence (and by who), should be public knowledge. And to stop the shuffling of figures between the columns, it should be possible to say that you want just the hardware. This doesn't need regulatory intervention - it just needs robust purchaser protection laws properly enforced.

Linux on Netbooks: The Smoking Gun (Groklaw)

Posted Jun 23, 2009 16:23 UTC (Tue) by pr1268 (subscriber, #24648) [Link]

Just like in some countries around the sale of phones and Internet/telephony services, there should be price transparency when buying a computer: exactly what the subsidies are, how much is being paid for the Windows licence (and by who), should be public knowledge.

No, because that would just add to the confusion you mentioned earlier.

Not that I totally disagree with you; I, too, think that consumers should be made aware of much of their computer purchase is going towards hardware and software.

I welcome the day when consumers at the big box stores are given a choice of operating system on a new PC/netbook purchase (Apple doesn't count here). I saw a glimmer of hope with the first netbooks running Linux, but now that hope is fading away based on the Groklaw article. Sigh.

Typo correction

Posted Jun 23, 2009 18:36 UTC (Tue) by pr1268 (subscriber, #24648) [Link]

s/made aware of much/made aware of how much/

Linux on Netbooks: The Smoking Gun (Groklaw)

Posted Jun 23, 2009 22:32 UTC (Tue) by sbergman27 (guest, #10767) [Link]

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I, too, think that consumers should be made aware of much of their computer purchase is going towards hardware and software.
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Don't forget all the craplets which actually *lower* the cost of a Windows PC. Craplets are a "cost" of running Windows. And yet the user is "getting something for free". Never mind that it's a time-limited, crippled, demo of something of dubious value. Confusion all around. The waters around a Windows PC purchase are so muddy that it's virtually impossible for the consumer to perceive all the blood that's mixed in.

Linux on Netbooks: The Smoking Gun (Groklaw)

Posted Jun 23, 2009 23:45 UTC (Tue) by pr1268 (subscriber, #24648) [Link]

Ahh craplets... What a nifty neologism. I like it!

I've been using Linux exclusively for so long (and before that I used a clean install of Windows on a homebuilt PC) so I've been shielded from all the craplets that most consumers have to put up with (or don't know any better). It's a shame that the vendors feel the need to bloat and slow down the user experience like this, not to mention the even more confusion customers face trying to wade through the craplets.

And besides, I thought that these netbooks were resource-limited. Bloating them down with craplets implies a miserable experience (I don't own a netbook so I can't vouch for this).

Linux on Netbooks: The Smoking Gun (Groklaw)

Posted Jun 23, 2009 21:38 UTC (Tue) by salimma (subscriber, #34460) [Link]

The Wintel duopoly is back with a vengeance. It's interesting how Intel is not even mentioned, whereas prior speculation on ARM netbooks is that it's not Microsoft that will be the problem (since you can already get Linux-based netbooks) but Intel.

Add to that the discriminatory pricing on the Atom (cheaper to buy as a package than to get the standalone CPU, meaning nVidia cannot really compete in providing chipsets), and one has a feeling that the main reason Asus pulled out its Snapdragon prototype is that Intel threatened their Atom supply.

Linux on Netbooks: The Smoking Gun (Groklaw)

Posted Jun 24, 2009 23:24 UTC (Wed) by davide.del.vento (subscriber, #59196) [Link]

And the saddest thing is seeing articles like this http://www.newsweek.com/id/198855 which was published on the Jun 1st issue.

I am a subscriber of the (paper) magazine and thus I wrote them a letter at letters @ youguessthedomain hoping that they will publish it. Basically I told them that I welcome Google scrutiny (every large company deserve to be controlled), but that Microsoft share of the operating system market (more than 90%, with a very strong user lock-in) should be under much tougher antitrust scrutiny than the relatively benign 70% Google share of search engine market, which does not have user lock-in.

You might want to have your voice heard too.

Linux on Netbooks: The Smoking Gun (Groklaw)

Posted Aug 10, 2009 16:13 UTC (Mon) by davide.del.vento (subscriber, #59196) [Link]

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