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And, of course, it's bugs.kde.org, which is the place where all KDE
applications track their bugs.
Never reported upstream?
Posted Jun 8, 2009 22:51 UTC (Mon) by kevinbsmith (guest, #4778)
I checked bugs.kde.org and couldn't find any bug report for this issue. Perhaps I missed it somehow. If not, hopefully someone will create one. Seems like that should have been the first step when the Debian maintainers marked the issue as wontfix.
Posted Jun 9, 2009 7:43 UTC (Tue) by boudewijn (subscriber, #14185)
You, Kevin, are not an ordinary user. You are posting comments on lwn.net, you know what a bug
tracker is, you know that Okular belongs to KDE. Of course you are not really so ignorant that you
cannot think of going to http://www.kde.org and see find the link that is clearly marked "Bug
Posted Jun 9, 2009 12:35 UTC (Tue) by kevinbsmith (guest, #4778)
As for thinking to look on kde.org: I was curious about Okular, not KDE (I assume is possible to run one without the other, as with other KDE apps). It honestly didn't occur to me to look on the KDE site. Apparently I'm more ignorant than I thought
And sure, I don't really matter because I'm not (yet) an Okular user. Clearly the best response to my suggestion for how to improve the site, as well as my suggestion for a possible way to resolve the frustration of many users while also fixing a public relations problem, is to insult me. Ok. If that's how the Okular/KDE communities wish to be represented, so be it.
Posted Jun 9, 2009 13:08 UTC (Tue) by boudewijn (subscriber, #14185)
You know, normal people don't feel the need to "evaluate" the community before installing an application, especially not "including
bug reports". That alone marks you as Not a Normal User, but someone who can be expected to be a little more flexible and
knowledgeable. And no, that is not an insult either. (And if Okular crashes on startup, you also get a nice window that helps you file a
If you really had wanted to make a suggestion instead of scoring a silly little point at the tail of a
silly discussion on a news website, you could have, like, contacted the Okular team directly.
There is quite a prominent link on their website to http://okular.kde.org/contact.php, which
gives you plenty of ways to contact them and ask them to add a link to bugs.kde.org.
So, you could, very easily, have made just this little suggestion of yours, without resorting to
" Oddly, neither the Okular user web page, nor the Okular KDE web page seem to have any links
to any sort of bug tracker. So I can't tell what the upstream developers may have said about it."
Because it isn't odd -- it's just an oversight, most KDE applications don't have a link to the bug
database because that's in the application menu. It is seldom needed. But it didn't make it impossible
for you to figure out what the upstrream developers might have said about, because a) there have been
links to their opinion as expressed in blogs and b) you could easily have reached them because
the means to do so are prominently displayed on the okular website.
Posted Jun 12, 2009 6:41 UTC (Fri) by k8to (subscriber, #15413)
I recognize that you are not trying to be insulting by insisting that people such as me who do this are abnormal. However, you are being insulting.
There's nothing wrong with researching something you're going to invest in. It is a matter of thoroughness, care, attention to detail, and of course interest and available time, rather than normality or the lack thereof.
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