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Would xvmalloc and swap readahead play nice?

Would xvmalloc and swap readahead play nice?

Posted Jun 6, 2009 7:37 UTC (Sat) by gmatht (guest, #58961)
In reply to: Compcache: in-memory compressed swapping by nitingupta
Parent article: Compcache: in-memory compressed swapping

Wouldn't swapping out xvmalloc pages prevent swap readahead from being of any use, given that adjacent pages are unlikely to be allocated in adjacent positions by xvmalloc? On a conventional HDD, reading an uncompressed page should take only ~0.1ms while seeking to the page should take ~10ms. My concern is that optimizing the 0.1ms while forcing a 10ms seek for every page would be a big performance loss.

There seems to be a big difference between the optimal layout for a memory allocator where seek is not a problem and the optimal layout on a conventional hard disk were seek times dwarf virtually everything else.

If, OTOH, adjacent pages were written out in adjacent positions on disk this could *halve* the cost of swap readahead; both halving the time required to read in the extra pages and also halving the memory used by pages that where read from disk but not used.

(I can see just swapping out xvmalloc pages being a win for SSD, where seek is not a problem for random reads. Also clearly if you are writing out an xvmalloc page there should be very little overhead, and you know you will get 4k of real memory back for each page swapped out. Even so, wouldn't you still have to read in the entire 4K xvmalloc page just to access one of the compress pages stored on that page?)


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Would xvmalloc and swap readahead play nice?

Posted Jun 7, 2009 5:22 UTC (Sun) by nitingupta (subscriber, #53817) [Link]

> Wouldn't swapping out xvmalloc pages prevent swap readahead from being of any use, given that adjacent pages are unlikely to be allocated in adjacent positions by xvmalloc? On a conventional HDD, reading an uncompressed page should take only ~0.1ms while seeking to the page should take ~10ms. My concern is that optimizing the 0.1ms while forcing a 10ms seek for every page would be a big performance loss.

With compressed swapping to disk, the seek times will also reduce as pages will be spread over a smaller area on disk. Still, in general swapping out xvmalloc pages is expected to incur higher swap read overhead due to more no. of seeks involved - an xvmalloc page contains almost unrelated pages.

> There seems to be a big difference between the optimal layout for a memory allocator where seek is not a problem and the optimal layout on a conventional hard disk were seek times dwarf virtually everything else.

Yes, this the whole problem. Theoretically, this problem could be solved by first collecting together physically contiguous pages (w.r.t disk sectors) in a single memory page and then swap this page to disk. However, when pages are swapped out this way, we are not guaranteed that we will be able to free even a single page. Also, this will increase in-memory fragmentation as these pages will be taken out from random xvmalloc pages. So, after lots of such pages are swapped out, we have to do some in-memory defragmentation (not yet implemented) to bring down fragmentation and free pages.

> If, OTOH, adjacent pages were written out in adjacent positions on disk this could *halve* the cost of swap readahead; both halving the time required to read in the extra pages and also halving the memory used by pages that where read from disk but not used.

In general, swap readahead in its present state is almost meaningless in case most of the pages are in (compressed) memory. Decompressing pages is almost instant. Instead, more useful will be to implement some sort of prefetch ioctl for ramzswap so its prefetches pages from backing swap and keeps them compressed in memory. But which pages to prefectch? This will need more study and experimentation.

> (I can see just swapping out xvmalloc pages being a win for SSD, where seek is not a problem for random reads. Also clearly if you are writing out an xvmalloc page there should be very little overhead, and you know you will get 4k of real memory back for each page swapped out. Even so, wouldn't you still have to read in the entire 4K xvmalloc page just to access one of the compress pages stored on that page?)

Yes, reading in single xvmalloc page will bring in bunch of unrelated pages to memory. These additional pages may be kept/discarded based on configurable/hardcoded policy in ramzswap.

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