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Over the topOver the topPosted Jun 2, 2009 3:59 UTC (Tue) by jake (editor, #205)In reply to: Over the top by BrucePerens Parent article: Okular, Debian, and copy restrictions
> Free software dies at its own hands.
And the solution is that we default the behavior of PDF readers to disallow cut-n-paste if the copyright holder says we can't?
I fail to see how that makes these rights holders particularly happy. And Jon's example in the screenshot was the ALI document that he wrote about a week or two ago. Pretty obvious fair use in my opinion.
The rights holders who think they should be able to control every last use of their so-called property won't be happy until they have fully locked-down systems anyway. Pushing back is the only way the public (who, after all, grants the copy 'right') can show that there are perfectly legitimate uses that the rights holders are trying to prevent.
jake
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Over the top Posted Jun 2, 2009 4:53 UTC (Tue) by BrucePerens (guest, #2510) [Link] Sure, Jon's example was non-infringing because it was his own work and deliberately engineered to turn on the notice he wanted to display. But it's silly to claim that's the common use.Sure, we want concessions from rights holders, so that Free Software / Open Source can participate in tomorrow's media. They want something too. There are concessions that we can't make to them, because that would make the software not Free any longer. "My way or the highway" isn't going to be a valid strategy because we're not running the show - we hardly even have a seat at the meeting. So, let's not throw away the few concessions that we can make.
Over the top Posted Jun 2, 2009 5:04 UTC (Tue) by jake (editor, #205) [Link]
> Sure, Jon's example was non-infringing because it was his own work and
> deliberately engineered to turn on the notice he wanted to display.
What I meant, and obviously didn't make clear, was that Jon quoted from that ALI PDF file in his article. *That* was, imo, fair use. And would have been 'prevented' by the copy bit.
In another comment you said:
> if we want to have some role for Open Source in society's future other
But I haven't seen anyone arguing otherwise. They just need to respect our rights (or defenses) as well. And, by and large, they don't.
jake
Over the top Posted Jun 2, 2009 5:25 UTC (Tue) by BrucePerens (guest, #2510) [Link] Nothing was preventing Jon from typing in a few lines.The problem is that we haven't done anything to convince the media producers, or legislators, that we have any rights worth protecting. Because we are not, in general, representative of their customers, who are perfectly happy with what they have.
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