It should be an easily switchable option, like we are used with file write, read, execute protections. Those worried to extract text by mistake from a protected pdf file would then be protected from themselves, and those wanting to override the protection because they are entitled to (like the authors, or an authority), would not be limited.
Posted Jun 1, 2009 21:36 UTC (Mon) by drag (subscriber, #31333)
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Yeah. That makes sense to me.
I would not have a problem with programs that make people aware of licensing or other use issues with a file.
Like say you get a mp3 song that is distributed under a no-derivatives license or something like that. If you try to load the song up into a sound editing program I would not have issue with that sound editing program to notify the user that the author of that file has certain wishes on how the content of the file should be handled.
Same thing with P2P applications and stuff like that.
I wouldn't go out my way to impliment notifications and volentary restrictions, but it may still be useful. It would be a nice feature if applications tried to help users from accidently breaking laws or agreements.
Okular, Debian, and copy restrictions
Posted Jun 2, 2009 4:56 UTC (Tue) by jospoortvliet (subscriber, #33164)
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Agreed. This feature isn't very useful for casual home usage, but for
companies it might even be mandatory. I know a company which would
appreciate the possibility of enforcing this company-wide for legal
reasons.
It is easy to turn of as home users (it's in the preferences: Obey DRM
limitations, has been there for 4 years) and provides value to corporate
customers. I don't see the issue...
I also don't understand why mr Corbet does not mention how easy it is to
turn it off.
Okular, Debian, and copy restrictions
Posted Jun 3, 2009 16:35 UTC (Wed) by jospoortvliet (subscriber, #33164)
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can't edit the comment, so: I didn't notice Corbet mentioned the posibility of turning it off...
Okular, Debian, and copy restrictions
Posted Jul 1, 2009 3:10 UTC (Wed) by ggw (guest, #59386)
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What have you been smoking Superstoned? Here is the last sentence of the
third paragraph.
"There is a configuration option which disables this behavior, but the
default setting is to enforce the copy restriction flag."
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Posted Jun 5, 2009 7:44 UTC (Fri) by liljencrantz (guest, #28458)
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This seems completely backwards to me. The very, very small number of organizations with specific reasons to limit their users freedom can update the system defaults to enforce these limitations, and let the other 99.9 % of humanity, including all sane corporations, to get on with their lives. Why on earth should the default value cater to a microscopic subgroup instead of the broad masses, when that subgroup can actually change the default for themselves?
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Posted Jun 1, 2009 21:38 UTC (Mon) by ana (subscriber, #41598)
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There is not restrictions when you can turn them off.
Posted Jun 1, 2009 22:07 UTC (Mon) by johnflux (guest, #58833)
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That's exactly what okular does. You can simply turn off the restrictions.
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Posted Jun 1, 2009 22:35 UTC (Mon) by elanthis (guest, #6227)
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Is it really "simply" or is it "through a series of arcane steps" ? I'd imagine the best bet would be a checkbox-menuitem in the Edit menu, two clicks away at most and in a fairly obvious place.
(not saying it isn't simple in Okular as I haven't used it)
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Posted Jun 1, 2009 22:46 UTC (Mon) by sune (subscriber, #40196)
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That's four clicks. The checkbox is checked by default.
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Posted Jun 2, 2009 7:31 UTC (Tue) by rvfh (subscriber, #31018)
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Yeah, why don't Debian just provide a conf file with the option checked out?
In ~/.kde/share/config/okularpartrc: ObeyDRM=false
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Posted Jun 2, 2009 14:00 UTC (Tue) by nix (subscriber, #2304)
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*sigh* does nobody read the article anymore?
Okular, Debian, and copy restrictions
Posted Jun 2, 2009 15:01 UTC (Tue) by rvfh (subscriber, #31018)
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I think the article can be read in two ways: I read it first as please Okular guys remove that feature from the code, and the second time (after reading your comment) realised that it could (should?) be read as please Okular/KDE/Debian guys set the default option to not enforce the restriction, which they don't want to do.
Okular, Debian, and copy restrictions
Posted Jun 4, 2009 1:00 UTC (Thu) by JoeF (subscriber, #4486)
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Did some people come over from Slashdot? It is common there to comment without reading TFA...
Useless denigrating comments
Posted Jun 4, 2009 7:09 UTC (Thu) by rvfh (subscriber, #31018)
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Really? I didn't know: never been on /.
Thanks for sharing this invaluable experience, your comment was most useful.
Also, I do hope the 'F' in TFA meant 'featured', because over here at LWN people usually tend to be polite to each other.
But I do realise that, although this did not use to be too much the case on LWN, people like to tell others off and punish them, rather than trying to understand them. I can see that on the road to work every day.
Okular, Debian, and copy restrictions
Posted Jun 2, 2009 7:20 UTC (Tue) by tzafrir (subscriber, #11501)
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Or don't use Okular if it annoys you too much each time you have to use it on a new system. Evince does not have this problem. Likewise xpdf.
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Posted Jun 2, 2009 15:18 UTC (Tue) by engla (guest, #47454)
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Not so simple, this wouldn't be an issue if:
1. Most users would realise there was an option
2. Most users would understand what "DRM" was and what obeying it meant
3. There wasn't fair use and other perfectly valid reasons to not let technology but policy set the limits.