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Fedora flags policy reverted

From:  Bill Nottingham <notting-AT-redhat.com>
To:  fedora-devel-list-AT-redhat.com
Subject:  FESCo Meeting Summary for 2009-05-22
Date:  Fri, 22 May 2009 15:00:17 -0400
Message-ID:  <20090522190016.GB18436@nostromo.devel.redhat.com>
Archive-link:  Article, Thread

== Members Present ==

* Jon Stanley (jds2001)
* Kevin Fenzi (nirik)
* Dan Horak (sharkcz)
* Josh Boyer (jwb)
* Brian Pepple (bpepple)
* Bill Nottingham (notting)
* David Woodhouse (dwmw2)
* Jarod Wilson (j-rod)

== Members Absent ==

* Dennis Gilmore (dgilmore)

== provenpackager request - iarnell ==

Iain Arnell was approved for provenpackager by a 8-0 vote.

== provenpackager request - hadess ==

Bastien Nocera was approved for provenpackager by a 8-0 vote.

== Feature: OSGi Auto Dependencies - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/OSGiAutoDeps ==

FESCo voted 7-0 that OSGI be referred to the Fedora Packaging Committee as a
packaging guideline, not as a Fedora 12 feature.

== FESCo should allow non packagers to be committee members ==

FESCo voted 5-0 (with three abstentions) to not change the current
requirement that FESCo nominees be part of the packager group. Discussion
indicated that:

    * technical issues (FPC reports, features) are approved by FESCo
    * membership in packager is not a large hurdle
    * there have yet to be anyone who has expressed interest in running that
    * would need this exception, even in the mail thread that spawned this 

The issue is open for revisiting if conditions warrant and candidates arise
that would require it.

== Revert the recently published Flag policy ==

After a lot of discussion, FESCo voted 6-0 to:

    * revert/suspend the policy approved the prior week
    * have people look into the issues and gather data (requirements of
    * various locales, number of packages affected, etc.)
    * craft a policy based on further data, or decide that one is not
    * required at all 

Andreas Thienemann volunteered to gather data; Kevin Fenzi volunteered to
assist as time permits. More volunteers welcome.

== Meeting log ==

For more information, see the full meeting log at:
	http://bpepple.fedorapeople.org/fesco/FESCo-2009-05-22.html

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Fedora flags policy reverted

Posted May 25, 2009 18:10 UTC (Mon) by pr1268 (subscriber, #24648) [Link]

Well, this tells me that they (FESCo) are willing to at least give this topic further consideration and discussion.

Somehow I don't think that discussion will be very pretty.

Fedora flags policy reverted

Posted May 26, 2009 4:16 UTC (Tue) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]

I guess the Fedora devels are going to find out that a lot of the problems that plague Debian discussions are not going to be unique to Debian...

Fedora flags policy reverted

Posted May 26, 2009 5:13 UTC (Tue) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]

Considering a number of discussions between people from both distributions, I am sure both are aware of that. It is just common sense

Only one sane policy

Posted May 28, 2009 5:14 UTC (Thu) by jmorris42 (subscriber, #2203) [Link]

First thing to realize is the issue isn't about flags. Remove them and you will quickly find that the same intolerant folk are right back demanding you change the displayed place names for the same global hotspots. So there are two paths and one leads to madness:

1. What flag flies on poles in a geographic area and what do the current inhabitants call it? Display that. To any who object simply tell them that the list simply reflects the reality on the ground and if they have a problem with that go change reality and submit a bug report to get the software updated to reflect that change. Ensure zero exceptions get in because if ONE exception is made the arguments will never end, see below.

2. Open Pandora's box, importing every long running political conflict on our sad little planet into software development mailing lists. Most of the usual suspects have been going on for decades and show little sign of being resolved anytime soon. No solution based on a political decision can hope to end the flamefests.

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