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Unladen swallow: accelerating PythonUnladen swallow: accelerating PythonPosted May 7, 2009 9:20 UTC (Thu) by niner (subscriber, #26151)Parent article: Unladen swallow: accelerating Python
I wonder why the Unladen swallow developers start fresh with an LLVM
backend, when with Parrot, there's already an effort on it's way to do a register-based VM Python implementation. Seems like duplicated effort for no obvious gain to me.
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Unladen swallow: accelerating Python Posted May 7, 2009 9:26 UTC (Thu) by brouhaha (subscriber, #1698) [Link]
Does Parrot compile to native code? (I haven't looked at it in that much detail.) LLVM generally does. LLVM also has a large number of optional optimization passes that can be applied.
On the other hand, the semantic level of LLVM is somewhat lower than that of Parrot.
Unladen swallow: accelerating Python Posted May 11, 2009 19:45 UTC (Mon) by chromatic (guest, #26207) [Link]
Parrot has a nascent JIT, but it doesn't currently compile to native code. Parrot's intent right now is to provide excellent compiler tools so that multiple languages can interoperate at a calling conventions level. Optimization is a secondary priority. (It's still a priority, but it's not the primary priority at the moment.)
Unladen swallow: accelerating Python Posted May 7, 2009 10:55 UTC (Thu) by Frej (subscriber, #4165) [Link]
I don't think that using LLVM is starting from fresh.
It has been used by Apple in their graphics pipeline from OS X 10.5 It's the future of some linux drivers as well, known as gallium3D. I think it has already been merged....
Or from the horses mouth... http://llvm.org/Users.html
I'm not saying it's the best or wisest choice. I'm not qualified to do that ;) - just that it's far from starting on a fresh.
Unladen swallow: accelerating Python Posted May 7, 2009 11:00 UTC (Thu) by niner (subscriber, #26151) [Link]
I didn't mean starting a register based VM from fresh but a Python
implementation based on one.
Unladen swallow: accelerating Python Posted May 7, 2009 14:12 UTC (Thu) by michaeljt (subscriber, #39183) [Link]
And according to that page, PyPy has LLVM as a target too.
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