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Christopher Blizzard of mozilla.org Speaks on the Firebird Naming Conflict (MozillaZine)Christopher Blizzard of mozilla.org Speaks on the Firebird Naming Conflict (MozillaZine)Posted May 15, 2003 16:58 UTC (Thu) by csigle (guest, #11235)Parent article: Christopher Blizzard of mozilla.org Speaks on the Firebird Naming Conflict (MozillaZine) I'm just a disinterested person. A disinterested person who doesn't have any involvement with either the Mozilla or Firebird SQL communites. Although I'm disinterested, I felt that I should waste my time reading through all of these comments and then compose and post a reply. FWIW, of course. I was initially thinking that Firebird was simply over-reacting. After reading through these posts, though, I am now not so sure of that. In fact, it has become quite clear to me that Mozilla.org is one screwed up organization. I'd like to specifically respond to this: "Mozilla, and before it Netscape, has had a culture of extreme arrogance. I have observed this over a period of more than 5 years. This culture of arrogance smells like shit, and I'm glad the conflict is over and I don't have to deal with it and act as if it didn't stink." I empathize deeply with your position. The foul stench from Mozilla/Netscape is an intense and putrid one, indeed. From what I've been reading, the sour and stale rants from the Mozilla community have proven to be quite toxic on ones nostrils. I can only hope that, someday, a regime change will take place at Mozilla.org and that the new leadership will know better to flush their oral toilets, long before the shit piles up.
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Christopher Blizzard of mozilla.org Speaks on the Firebird Naming Conflict (MozillaZine) Posted May 16, 2003 22:19 UTC (Fri) by gerv (subscriber, #3376) [Link] After reading through these posts, though, I am now not so sure of that. In fact, it has become quite clear to me that Mozilla.org is one screwed up organization. It would be more informative if you stated what in these threads led you to this conclusion, apart from the unsupported and polemical assertions of others. What are you accusing mozilla.org of? Gerv
Mozilla.org == Sorry Bunch of Lying Bastards! Posted May 18, 2003 12:18 UTC (Sun) by msutherland (guest, #11201) [Link] > What are you accusing mozilla.org of?Trademark registration is not required for trademark validity. Use in trade is sufficient. Trademark registration, by itself, doesn't establish the validity of a mark, but it does move the question into Federal courts. Firebird is in the process of registering the mark "Firebird". The Mozilla group will have opportunity to explain to the US Patent Office their various quaint and creative reasons what Firebird isn't a valid trademark for a database but is for a browser. Then the venue will shift to Federal court. The issues aren't subtle or difficult to master. Firebird has been using the trademark uncontested for three years. They're really nothing left to be said but determine damages. To further add to my complete disprespect of the Mozilla community.... 1. Mozillazine taking the Firebird name and appending a (TM) to it in their forums. In their flawed arrogance, they thought they were being cute. I look at as them acting like a bunch of backward ass nitwit twirps. Lucky for them they recently became endowed with the brains to remove it. 2. In a failed effort to save their sorry faces, they later claim that when they announced their name change from Phoenix to Firebird that they had meant at that time, and all along, that the Firebird was just the 'project' name... and that the 'product' name was Mozilla Browser. That, of course, is load of vile bullshit for several reasons..... Here's the announcement: "Asa Dotzler writes: After months of discussion and further months of legal investigation, we're finally comfortable moving forward with new names. The new name for the Phoenix browser is 'Firebird'. The documentation and product strings will be updated soon. In addition to securing Firebird, we've also got the OK from those contributing legal resources to use the name 'Thunderbird' for a mail client. Hopefully this will be the end of naming legal issues for a while." http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=3075 A. There is absolutely no mention, not even a remote hint, that the name Firbird is simply a project name. In fact, the supposed 'product' name, Mozilla Browser, as you can see, is not even cited. B. If Firebird was meant as a 'project' name... then there is no requirement to 'run it through legal' C. Asa Dotzler was even specifically asked what the *product* name would be by a community member: "SUBJECT: Product Names http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=3075&message=44&state=reply Asa's reply.... "SUBJECT: Re: Product Names --Asa" http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=3075&message=54&state=reply
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