This is a regression [LWN.net]

This is a regression

Posted Mar 16, 2009 0:17 UTC (Mon) by bojan (subscriber, #14302)
In reply to: This is a regression by nix
Parent article: Ts'o: Delayed allocation and the zero-length file problem

> Er, no, 'going beyond the standard' is what *ext4* should do

And that's going to help the broken application running on another filesystem exactly how? The problem with hypocrisy here is not related to ext4 - it related to application code.

BTW, it is obvious that Ted already decided to make sure ext4 does that. The man is not stupid - he doesn't want the file system rejected over this - no matter how wrong the people blaming ext4 for this are.

> Agreed the apps are buggy, but I think this is a deficiency in POSIX, rather than anything else.

Well, yeah - the spec is, shall we say - demanding. But, it is what it is. We tell Microsoft not to ignore the specs. What makes us so special that we can? I would suggest nothing. If we take the right to demand that from Microsoft, we should make sure we do it ourselves.

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This is a regression

Posted Mar 16, 2009 1:07 UTC (Mon) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

OK, so you consider 'do not want to lose data' to be 'hypocrisy'.

There's no point talking to you at all, IMNSHO.

This is a regression

Posted Mar 16, 2009 2:19 UTC (Mon) by bojan (subscriber, #14302) [Link]

No, I consider telling others to do something and then not doing it ourselves hypocrisy. It think that would be the definition of it, no?

If you don't want to talk to me, then don't. That's OK.

This is a regression

Posted Mar 16, 2009 13:45 UTC (Mon) by ikm (subscriber, #493) [Link]

>> Er, no, 'going beyond the standard' is what *ext4* should do

> And that's going to help the broken application running on another filesystem exactly how?

It's not. We are talking about fixing problems users start to experience when they switch from ext3 to ext4. None of the other goals, such as fixing all the apps, making all filesystems happy, feeding the hungry and making world a better place are being pursued here. The 2.6.30 fixes do what they are supposed to do, without breaking anything else. So it is a good thing, and I don't understand why you seem to be against it.

Sure, there's lots of stuff which ain't working right, but it's not a subject here. World's not perfect, and it's not going to be any time soon.