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Some way still to be able to use the freedoms...

Some way still to be able to use the freedoms...

Posted Feb 19, 2009 7:39 UTC (Thu) by tajyrink (subscriber, #2750)
Parent article: How (not) to brick the Android Developer Phone

I might be wrong, but coming from the Openmoko land, I feel like the author is only in the very beginning of realizing how to use a free phone :) Why installing Debian is "crazy"? Debian is the universal operating system, as is said, and Debian can be used for phone functionality without a hitch currently on Openmoko. Freesmartphone.org is generating a basis of phone/PIM functionality that can be built upon by any distribution. The fact that there are missing parts on Android phones currently when using non-Android software does not mean replacing Android would be crazy in the long run.

I do hope Android phones would soon get their phone functionality usage and power management generalized to the level that people could actually start exercising their freedoms. I also hope the author could shed a light on any developments on these fronts:

- Is someone trying to reproduce the current Android software power management system in a more general (and simple) way? Suspend working while GSM is on, what's the battery life when using eg. Debian?
- Are all the kernel patches / drivers going to the mainline kernel?
- Is there anything stirring to implement ADP1 support in http://freesmartphone.org/ ?
- Can you currently make phone calls when using non-Android software somehow? Any UIs yet?

I am not really interested in a phone that is hackable but by default only really usable with partially non-free software stack, so therefore (as an user) I am interested in the development of completely free software stacks. Also even though there may be a free Android distribution, I'd rather go for a more general one that doesn't need recoding all the software. Ie. GTK, Qt support would be nice.


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What is not free in Adroid stack?

Posted Feb 19, 2009 10:19 UTC (Thu) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link]

I am not really interested in a phone that is hackable but by default only really usable with partially non-free software stack, so therefore (as an user) I am interested in the development of completely free software stacks.

AFAIK the only non-free parts in Android software stack are codecs - and these are not free by patent reason. Other non-free parts (like GMail client or YouTube client) are completely optional. And it's way easier to replace codecs with free ones (where legal) than to create the whole new stack. And if you'll compare number of phones with Android today with all other phones with "free software stacks"...

Usage of G1 without Android is certainly possible but unfeasible...

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