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Apple: why iPhone jailbreaking should not be allowedApple: why iPhone jailbreaking should not be allowedPosted Feb 14, 2009 14:26 UTC (Sat) by tialaramex (subscriber, #21167)In reply to: Apple: why iPhone jailbreaking should not be allowed by salimma Parent article: Apple: why iPhone jailbreaking should not be allowed
More relevantly you can buy (as mentioned in a previous thread) Google's developer phone which is essentially identical to the G1 except that it's more expensive (no subsidy for locking you into a provider) and you have the same relationship as with a typical PC - it's yours, you can do what you like (e.g. write your own OS) with it subject to the usual constraints of law and your conscience.
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Apple: why iPhone jailbreaking should not be allowed Posted Feb 14, 2009 21:34 UTC (Sat) by lacostej (guest, #2760) [Link]
> Google's developer phone which is essentially identical to the G1
> except that it's more expensive
Define "more expensive". Doesn't this depend on your phone usage ?
T1 mobile + 40$ monthly plan = 180 + 40*12*2 = 1140 $ for 2 years.
This could give you a G1 dev phone + over 7 100$ refill on a T-mobile prepaid plan: http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/plans/Prepaid-Plans.aspx
i.e. ca 8000 minutes. If you call less than 11 min per day on average (like me), you're better with a G1 dev phone. And it's unlocked.
Note: I am not living in the US, I just tried to find something I would use if I was in the US. There are maybe non T-mobile cheaper pre-paid plans as well.
Apple: why iPhone jailbreaking should not be allowed Posted Feb 15, 2009 5:38 UTC (Sun) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]
The G1 is a GSM phone.
The unlocked version is not tied in any way, shape, or form to T-Mobile.
If your in the USA you can use it with AT&T if you want, or the small handful of other GSM using cell phone service providers.
Cell phone providers outside the USA are generally all GSM and use frequencies compatible with the G1. (check your local area..) So you can use your current provider or cell phone plan or any of the huge number of pre-paid phone/data cards available to folks outside the USA.
Anyways... Freedom isn't free. It never has been, nor will it ever be. So if you give a crap about having a open system to run your software on then the strongest signal you can give is to put your money were your mouth is. If it's not possible that is one thing, but it usually is.
T-mobile's plans, are in effect, trading you discounts for Freedom. How much are you really worth? Like I said it's one thing to not have choices, but it's another to have choices and pick simply based on cost.
Anyways...
I am not going to by a Android phone that is locked into a service or requires special signed firmware. It's just not worth it.
Buying a locked-down Android phone is worse then buying a iPhone, as far as a end user is concerned. You don't get any freedoms and the interface and the available software on the market isn't as good. If your going to buy a pair of handcuffs you might as well get the shiny pair.
Apple: why iPhone jailbreaking should not be allowed Posted Feb 15, 2009 14:07 UTC (Sun) by fb (subscriber, #53265) [Link]
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Buying a locked-down Android phone is worse then buying a iPhone, as far as a end user is concerned. ""
I disagree.
As far as an end user is concerned, she can't "just" upload music or videos to an iPhone using Linux - which applies as we are at LWN ;-). Nor do you have a physical keyboard.
Still regarding end users, AFAIK in the countries where they can get away with it, it seems that Apple/Telecoms actually plan to not release unlock codes to customers once their contract finishes.
Regarding the freedom point, you ought to reckon that the software platform is freely modifiable and redistributable, while the iphone's is proprietary; and that a sale of a "locked" G1 strengthens an open platform, an iphone's not so much.
Apple: why iPhone jailbreaking should not be allowed Posted Feb 15, 2009 14:18 UTC (Sun) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]
Having choices and picking simply based on cost is worthwhile sometimes.
e.g. I use a locked-in pay-as-you-go non-free Nokia phone, and as I don't use *any* of its features bar a very little predictive text messaging and phone calls, nor can imagine myself ever using any of its other features (keyboards large enough and ergnomic enough not to trigger agonizing RSI are far too large for a mobile device), the non-freedom simply isn't an issue. I wouldn't want to do more with a freed phone than I currently do with a non-free one, and the non-free one does everything I need it to.
G1 GSM Posted Feb 17, 2009 12:37 UTC (Tue) by rfunk (subscriber, #4054) [Link]
One catch on the unlocked G1's GSM: its 3G support is limited to T-Mobile's US frequencies.
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