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KDE 4, distributors, and bleeding-edge softwareKDE 4, distributors, and bleeding-edge softwarePosted Jan 30, 2009 14:36 UTC (Fri) by boudewijn (subscriber, #14185)In reply to: KDE 4, distributors, and bleeding-edge software by malor Parent article: KDE 4, distributors, and bleeding-edge software
Theft? Good grief, man, take a chill pill or something. Really, there's no
reason to be blowing your top like this. You know what? KDE 4.0 was not _that_ bad, _actually_. It was perfectly usable for many people doing perfectly productive work. And there wasn't a single lie in the release announcement. What you are writing, on the other hand, is at least baseless hyperbole -- and feel free to pencil in rather stronger words.
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KDE 4, distributors, and bleeding-edge software Posted Jan 30, 2009 15:57 UTC (Fri) by malor (subscriber, #2973) [Link]
If all projects adopted this type of disinformation in their major releases, the usability and uptake of free software would take an enormous hit. People would learn that you can't trust software that's free.
This is worth being upset about. It's a very bad precedent.
KDE 4, distributors, and bleeding-edge software Posted Jan 30, 2009 18:10 UTC (Fri) by cry_regarder (subscriber, #50545) [Link]
Perhaps you should use Vista instead.
Perhaps Posted Jan 30, 2009 20:13 UTC (Fri) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link] Vista is very resource-hungry, but it's usable. KDE 4.0 was resource hungry and unusable. Now Microsoft created Vista+ (named Windows 7) which is less resource-hungry and more usable - we'll see how KDE 4.x will compare with that...
Perhaps Posted Jan 31, 2009 21:01 UTC (Sat) by jospoortvliet (subscriber, #33164) [Link]
the final Vista gold wasn't that much better than KDE 4.0 - it did work,
basically, for most people but did a horrible job for some. Same with 4.0, I suppose, even though 4.0 as a FOSS product doesn't have to be as stable as a product by a big company. After all - we have the 'release early and often' paradigm, they don't.
Perhaps Posted Feb 2, 2009 19:49 UTC (Mon) by cry_regarder (subscriber, #50545) [Link]
I think I was too subtle.
1. The prev poster was implying that free software will get some sort of reputation because of things like KDE4. As if non-free software doesn't already have that reputation.
2. When I did customer support back in late 80s, the corporate policy was that if a customer for our product called too often and was belligerent to very carefully and politely introduce him to the competitor's product. Sometimes even with phone numbers for their sales department. The reasoning was that a troublesome customer is going to be troublesome for everybody...so he might as well be troublesome for your competition.
Cry
Perhaps Posted Feb 2, 2009 20:48 UTC (Mon) by malor (subscriber, #2973) [Link]
No, you weren't being too subtle. Your insult was obvious.
KDE 4, distributors, and bleeding-edge software Posted Jan 30, 2009 21:36 UTC (Fri) by dkite (guest, #4577) [Link]
Heh, but I beg to differ, and I'm not a wilting flower when it comes to using bleeding edge stuff.
Some problems are bad, some problems are good.
KDE had(s) the problem where people want to use their stuff. They like the ideas, the applications, the way things work.
I suspect the distributions wouldn't have paid any attention to 'improved communication' with the 4.0 release. There was palpable demand for the offering. The moment anyone of them advertised that the new KDE 4.0 release was going to be on offer, all of them had to do the same. If I remember correctly, the developers had to make an effort to tone down the enthusiasm.
All in all, the only thing it has convinced me of is that releases are the spawn of the devil.
Derek
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