I was explicitly addressing malor's assumption that GNOME on Fedora would provide a better experience than KDE on Fedora. However, the situation is no different. The amateur release strategies evident in the latest GNOME can be as unwelcome as the latest KDE. As you note, Ubuntu likes to point upstream and say, "But... but...", also. I think you'll agree, Jef, that just because Ubuntu does it does not mean it's okay. Debian and Gentoo are generously resisting on behalf of their users.