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Ext4 to be standard for Fedora 11, Btrfs also included (heise online)Ext4 to be standard for Fedora 11, Btrfs also included (heise online)Posted Jan 27, 2009 5:34 UTC (Tue) by paulj (subscriber, #341)In reply to: Ext4 to be standard for Fedora 11, Btrfs also included (heise online) by jspaleta Parent article: Ext4 to be standard for Fedora 11, Btrfs also included (heise online)
Please could you shut up about Canonical/Ubuntu? You're an embarrassment to Fedora with your behaviour here
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Ext4 to be standard for Fedora 11, Btrfs also included (heise online) Posted Jan 27, 2009 6:50 UTC (Tue) by jspaleta (subscriber, #50639) [Link]
Sadly I'm also an embarrassment to my parents too.
Look I didn't bring it up, I was just expressing the fact that the assertion that Upstart was initially a volunteer effort without Canonical backing seemed odd. If I were angling to beat up Canonical about it, I'd be on the other side of the discussion, trying to argue that this is an example of Canonical not contributing...which the exact opposite of what I thought the situation was.
And point of fact, another person has also chimed in that the original assertion is false. Unlike most everyone else, I've putting my opinion in context by citing the reference material which influenced how I formed that opinion. It would have been nice if the original assertion and come with an authoritative reference. Are you okay with people making unsupported assertions and treating them like facts? I'm more than happy to be shown an authoritative source material that Canonical didn't pay for the development time for Upstart, but until then I'm giving Canonical the benefit of the doubt.
-jef
Ext4 to be standard for Fedora 11, Btrfs also included (heise online) Posted Jan 27, 2009 7:35 UTC (Tue) by paulj (subscriber, #341) [Link]
Jef,
I have no doubt that you believe you're arguing objectively and in good faith, on important questions regarding Canonical.
However, it's completely missing the point: You are a prominent member of the Fedora community (possibly even an officer of it of some sort, I don't know). It reflects very badly on you - and anybody you represent, by extension - when you wage a bad-mouthing campaign against rivals on forums. However well-founded your bad-mouthing might be doesn't matter[1].
Your socio-political standing means it is NOT YOUR PLACE to launch such direct criticisms. Rather make them indirectly by promoting those *positive* aspects of your distro which contrast with what you feel is lacking in others. E.g. "More developers get paid to work on Fedora", or whatever your point is. Leave any direct criticism to 3rd parties (e.g. LWN editors) who have at least semblence of impartiality.
Please, please stop..
1. On the flip-side: if it's not well-founded, it reflects even more poorly on you. Though I suspect many people now ignore any of your comments containing the words "Canonical" or "Ubuntu"..
Ext4 to be standard for Fedora 11, Btrfs also included (heise online) Posted Jan 27, 2009 8:02 UTC (Tue) by jspaleta (subscriber, #50639) [Link]
I know my place... my place is in the kitchen...barefoot.
-jef
Ext4 to be standard for Fedora 11, Btrfs also included (heise online) Posted Jan 29, 2009 14:18 UTC (Thu) by hummassa (subscriber, #307) [Link]
> Your socio-political standing means it is NOT YOUR PLACE to launch such direct criticisms.
I hadn't noticed that Fedora was in a state of war, or any kind of emergency that precludes its members, albeit high-standing ones, of criticizing it.
Lucky Debian, in which _really_ high-standing ones can criticize the project at will and with impunity.
Meh.
Ext4 to be standard for Fedora 11, Btrfs also included (heise online) Posted Jan 27, 2009 23:12 UTC (Tue) by cry_regarder (subscriber, #50545) [Link]
Child: Mommy Mommy! The teacher is picking on me again!
Mom: What about?
Child: Not doing my homework!
Mom: Did you do your homework?
Child: Ummm. No...
Mom: Well?
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