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IBM's new Ubuntu-based desktop offeringIBM's new Ubuntu-based desktop offeringPosted Dec 6, 2008 1:15 UTC (Sat) by jonasj (guest, #44344)In reply to: IBM's new Ubuntu-based desktop offering by sbergman27 Parent article: IBM's new Ubuntu-based desktop offering Jef is, effectively, a representative of Fedora. And, rightly or wrongly, my opinion of the Fedora community has been tarnished somewhat by his campaign. Maybe I'm alone in that, and maybe not. No, you are not alone in that. The fact that he is a Fedora Board member and that his trolling crusade has been allowed to go on here for so long without the rest of the Fedora Board saying something has definitely caused me to lose some of my respect for the Fedora project. And I'm almost starting to be of the opinion that he should get banned from LWN.
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Banning Posted Dec 6, 2008 1:30 UTC (Sat) by corbet (editor, #1) [Link] FWIW, he's not going to get banned from LWN. We've cut off a couple of really blatant comment spammers, but nobody else. I really don't want to change that.OTOH, I have been pondering the individual comment filter idea a bit. Now that we have a reasonable server, we can think about doing things like that. There's another project to finish first, then I might take a stab at it. Even then, though, I sure hope it won't prove to be a very popular feature...
Banning Posted Dec 6, 2008 1:49 UTC (Sat) by jspaleta (subscriber, #50639) [Link]
In all fairness....
If you opened up the LWN codebase you'd probably already had several people sending in the necessary patches to implement Spaleta filtering.
If I'm going to be a broken record about the advantages of opening up Launchpad as a way for Ubuntu users to fix community facing processes without having to wait for Canonical to do it.... you're going to get a dose of it as well. Stop screwing around and open up the LWN code so LWN users can create the feature to filter me out.
Here's an idea, make a commitment to release the codebase of LWN when Canonical releases the codebase for Launchpad. Right now that's November of next year.
Banning Posted Dec 10, 2008 20:30 UTC (Wed) by net_bh (guest, #28735) [Link]
Here is replying to my favourite "waste of time". FYI, Canonical announced at the ongoing UDS that Launchpad is being opened up in July '09.
Banning Posted Dec 10, 2008 20:35 UTC (Wed) by jspaleta (subscriber, #50639) [Link]
Did they also announce which license they will be using?
-jef
Banning Posted Dec 10, 2008 20:59 UTC (Wed) by kragil (subscriber, #34373) [Link]
It will be AGPL.
But this will make you happy: Not all of it will be open sourced in july. AFAIK the build backend soyuz will stay closed. So about 95 % will be open source I guess. But that is just a very small part of LP and only very few people have the hardware to really use it.
Banning Posted Dec 10, 2008 21:26 UTC (Wed) by jspaleta (subscriber, #50639) [Link]
That sort of rationale is a copout.
https://launchpad.net/soyuz
Whenever you upload a package to Ubuntu, or need build information for that package, or download a package from the archive, you are using Soyuz. We also consider the mirror management and other distro-related portions of Launchpad to be part of the Soyuz subsystem."
Is Canonical really saying that the processes managed by Soyuz would not benefit from open development and contribution directly from the community of Ubuntu developers? Really?
The benefits of the open development process have absolutely nothing to do with the number of people who can directly run the code on iron they own.
How many non-Canonical employees in the Ubuntu community make direct use of Soyuz? How many of those people have expressed frustration at some aspect of how it works over the years? How many of those people if given the chance would be able to submit an enhancement to the codebase that benefited every single Ubuntu community member who needed to use Soyuz to do the work that they do?
https://bugs.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bugs
Either Shuttleworth really believes that an open process is the better way to innovate or he does not. I guess if we are to believe Shuttleworth then Suyoz isn't in need of any more innovation...any more work. But the buglist suggests otherwise. Really what's the point of a public bug tracker for a closed source codebase? You can't commit a patch..all you can do is complain and complain and cross your fingers that the developers get around to fixing your bug for you. Pointless. Is that really what Canonical want's to see for Soyuz..lots and lots of Ubuntu community members filing bugs against the component but not having the ability to dig in and help fix any of it. Yeah that's a great way to manage an open community...hold back access to contribute to the very tools they have to use to build things. Awesome!
-jef
Banning Posted Dec 10, 2008 21:50 UTC (Wed) by kragil (subscriber, #34373) [Link]
I told you it would make you happy. At least you are predictable :)
And .. well .. they have to start somewhere and LP is _so much more_ than just a bug tracker like you seem to imply.
Banning Posted Dec 10, 2008 22:08 UTC (Wed) by jspaleta (subscriber, #50639) [Link]
Red Hat most assuredly uses proprietary tech for its corporate operations.
Can you point to a single pieces of closed source tech that Fedora uses in the infrastructure that the Fedora contributing community is asked to interact with? Cuz I can't.
-jef
Banning Posted Dec 6, 2008 7:09 UTC (Sat) by paulj (subscriber, #341) [Link]
The ability to comment (psuedo)-anonymously and/or send a message to a poster privately would be useful too, this thread has made me realise..
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