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Losses at Mandriva

Losses at Mandriva

Posted Dec 2, 2008 18:56 UTC (Tue) by timschmidt (guest, #38269)
In reply to: Losses at Mandriva by AdamW
Parent article: Losses at Mandriva

Of course it can happen... In fact, it does. It just takes a lot of time. The locals call it Debian.


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Losses at Mandriva

Posted Dec 2, 2008 19:26 UTC (Tue) by AdamW (guest, #48457) [Link]

Then why do so many people use Ubuntu?

Losses at Mandriva

Posted Dec 2, 2008 19:42 UTC (Tue) by fabo (subscriber, #49199) [Link]

because it seems easier to use and more sexy.

Losses at Mandriva

Posted Dec 3, 2008 10:36 UTC (Wed) by Los__D (subscriber, #15263) [Link]

because it is easier to use and more sexy.

There, fixed it for you. :p

Losses at Mandriva

Posted Dec 10, 2008 20:28 UTC (Wed) by jospoortvliet (subscriber, #33164) [Link]

No, he was right, it SEEMS easier and sexier. I'm not saying it's a bad
product, but it's not especially good or anything. Of course it's hard to
be objective about it, but at least I don't feel it is any better than
OpenSuse or Mandriva. You'll have a hard time come up with actual *proof*
that the *buntus are any better - at anything.

Sure, they make a lot of noise, but that doesn't mean they're good. They
fact they have better marketing doesn't mean their product is better. It
just means their marketing is better.

Illusions at Ubuntu

Posted Dec 12, 2008 15:40 UTC (Fri) by gvy (guest, #11981) [Link]

It might seem you fixed it but in fact you broke it. Somehow unsurprising.

Losses at Mandriva

Posted Dec 2, 2008 19:49 UTC (Tue) by briangmaddox (subscriber, #39279) [Link]

Because each Debian stable release is about five years old as state of the art goes? ;)

What difference between packages

Posted Dec 3, 2008 10:55 UTC (Wed) by rvfh (subscriber, #31018) [Link]

Or better: why does Ubuntu need to re-package the Debian packages? Even debianutils is re-packaged!

I know some packages do not exist in Debian in the first place... or so I was told.

What difference between packages

Posted Dec 3, 2008 19:06 UTC (Wed) by fabo (subscriber, #49199) [Link]

Ubuntu doesn't re-package every Debian packages.
Many packages in Ubuntu are "pristine" Debian packages.
Some packages doesn't exist in Debian in the first place but some Debian
packages doesn't exist in Ubuntu too.

What difference between packages

Posted Dec 3, 2008 19:48 UTC (Wed) by jspaleta (subscriber, #50639) [Link]

Have any statistics as to how many 'pristine' debian packages by Ubuntu collections?

Are they more likely to be found in Ubuntu universe versus Ubuntu main or what? Are we talking like 1% of Ubuntu's main collection? Are we talking 10% of Ubuntu's universe? Or are we just talking about a handful of pristine debian packages?

-jef

What difference between packages

Posted Dec 7, 2008 19:02 UTC (Sun) by oak (guest, #2786) [Link]

> Or better: why does Ubuntu need to re-package the Debian packages? Even
debianutils is re-packaged!

Some reasons for doing this:

* Ubuntu does releases at different time from Debian (much more often).
This means that they sync with Debian at certain point and then kind
of "branch" that together-working set of package versions when stabilizing
it for a release (with security etc fixes). When work for the next Ubuntu
release starts, they again sync with Debian

* Binary packages re-compilation (if that's what you meant
with "re-packaging") is a must, just to make that everything really is
buildable and works together...

* There are also some differences in Ubuntu base system (Upstart several
releases before Debian, Python as an essential package which IMHO was
mistake, essentials should be minimized, not frivolously expanded etc).

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