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EvolutionEvolutionPosted Nov 28, 2008 0:15 UTC (Fri) by flammon (guest, #807)In reply to: Evolution by bojan Parent article: GNOME 2.24.2 released
Ah man... I stopped using Evolution a few years ago because it crashed so much and I could not stand it anymore and now you're saying that not only has it not improved but it's getting worse! Saddening, because it really has potential. If only it could stop crashing.
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De-evolution Posted Nov 28, 2008 2:31 UTC (Fri) by abatters (✭ supporter ✭, #6932) [Link]
Same thing here. It's natural selection, you know.
Evolution Posted Nov 28, 2008 3:39 UTC (Fri) by bojan (subscriber, #14302) [Link]
I'm stuck with Evo for the following reasons:
- knows how to do GSSAPI auth to IMAP
I tried (unsuccessfully) claws-mail and balsa for the IMAP stuff (cannot do that at work at all - Exchange admins refuse to turn IMAP on - lucky I get OWA).
Just out of curiosity, what do you normally use?
PS. Evo is one of those things that, if done properly, could be really, really good. But, the quality of the releases varies greatly. Previous Evo (2.22) was kinda OK (it would still crash occasionally when used with Exchange - especially on big folders). I'm looking forward to MAPI support on that front.
Evolution Posted Nov 28, 2008 6:38 UTC (Fri) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]
IMAP support for Exchange is shit. You don't want it. Also there is security issues with trying to get IMAP working and requires extra work and vigilance on the part of admins. It's no surprise that admins are not wanting to support it. I wouldn't want to take a kerberos domain and try to degrade it's security by adding IMAP for Linux compatibility.
OWA is also shit. The web interface for Exchange is unreliable and locks up continuously for myself and anybody that uses it. It's just very bad. That's the web interface _being_used_as_a_web_interface_ and not a hack to get Evolution to pretend it has Exchange compatibility. It's not surprising to me that Exchange support in Evolution makes Evolution run like crap. You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear. OWA by itself is shit, expecting OWA + Evolution to be anything else is just pure wishful thinking.
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What you want is native MAPI support. This means using the client support that Exchange has that is, you know, is designed to be used by clients.
This also means that you have AD intergration, some SAMBA 4 stuff, and the whole ten yards. A Outlook replacement for the Linux desktop, not a second-class imap pretender (after all, if Exchange was just about email then it would be a easy kill for the OSS community) or alternative front-end to the web interface.
Of course this required functionality is not yet present in Evolution. It should be in Gnome 2.26 though and is probably one of the more important features for the Gnome desktop in a long time.
Thank goodness for OpenChange (not to be confused with other projects like Open Exchange) and Samba4 for providing this sort of minimal functionality that is expected to be present in modern business desktops.
Evolution Posted Nov 28, 2008 8:50 UTC (Fri) by bojan (subscriber, #14302) [Link]
> IMAP support for Exchange is shit.
I ran Evo against IMAP in Exchange at a larger organisation than the one I'm at now and it was a bit better then OWA. Of course, what kind of pain Windows admins had to go through to make that work, I don't know (and don't care :-).
> OWA is also shit.
Yeah, no kidding. Typical MS play. They supposedly support common protocols, browsers etc., but in the end none of the compatible stuff actually works and one is forced to use proprietary stuff.
Let's see what MAPI support brings.
Evolution Posted Nov 28, 2008 13:15 UTC (Fri) by jospoortvliet (subscriber, #33164) [Link]
I've been using GMail for a very long time, and MS Outlook at work, but recently I've been moving to KMail/Kontact from SVN. It's not incredibly stable yet, but it gives me high hopes for a final release with KDE 4.2. Beta 1 is probably worth a look.
Evolution Posted Nov 29, 2008 3:41 UTC (Sat) by dkite (guest, #4577) [Link]
Indeed. The akonadi/kmail setup works well with gmail. I couldn't reliably
use it previously.
Derek
Evolution Posted Dec 1, 2008 11:31 UTC (Mon) by janpla (guest, #11093) [Link]
I use Thunderbird at home and the Exchange Server's web interface at work.
Thunderbird because: it works well enough, it allows me to never see HTML mail, the SPAM filter and probably several more reasons.
The web interface because: some brilliant mind has decided that Sarbanes- Oxley somehow makes it mandatory that the IMAP port is not open, and I just can't stand the pain of using Evolution.
What I would really love to see is Thunderburp being able to connect to Exchange Server even when it doesn't use POP3 or IMAP.
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