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Fedora 10 released
The announcement for the Fedora 10 release
has gone out. "Please remember to polarize viewports to properly
enjoy Cambridge's brand new graphics theme, "Solar," shining on the
desktop. Also on this flight is a new lightweight desktop environment,
LXDE, joining the more recent desktop environment crew member, Sugar (from
the starship OLPC XO), and the venerable GNOME, KDE, and XFCE."
There is also a new RPM Fusion update to go
along with Fedora 10.
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Fedora 10 released Posted Nov 25, 2008 15:47 UTC (Tue) by dilinger (subscriber, #2867) [Link]
Screenshots/videos can be found here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/Fedora10
Fedora 10 released Posted Nov 25, 2008 16:15 UTC (Tue) by kragil (subscriber, #34373) [Link]
And still no word about the security breach. Will we ever know?
Fedora 10 released Posted Nov 26, 2008 0:13 UTC (Wed) by mmcgrath (guest, #44906) [Link]
> And still no word about the security breach. Will we ever know?
Still no additional news. You certainly are within your rights to continue demanding the release of that information.
Fedora 10 released Posted Nov 26, 2008 0:39 UTC (Wed) by dowdle (subscriber, #659) [Link]
I'm fairly certain, although I have zero inside information... that someone's password (within the project) was guessed/cracked OR their account on one machine was cracked and they had ssh keys for other systems.
If you are looking for vulnerable services that got hacked, I'm 99.99% sure that is NOT the case.
Nothing to see here, move along.
Red Hat won't release the info until after all of their legal / investigative work is done... and it isn't them doing most it... and that does NOT coincide with a new Fedora release in any way. My guess would be that that will take 1 or more years.
Fedora 10 released Posted Nov 25, 2008 17:13 UTC (Tue) by Tara_Li (subscriber, #26706) [Link]
We used to have Dag, Dries, Livna, At, Fresh, Dribble, and a bunch of other RPM repositories. Now we have RPMfusion, RPMforge, and apparently RPMrepo is coming. Well, I guess it is *some* kind of simplification - be nice if you could mix and match somehow, though.
Fedora 10 released Posted Nov 25, 2008 18:23 UTC (Tue) by salimma (subscriber, #34460) [Link]
RPMforge is part of RPMrepo, apparently, so really your choice is between two competing repositories: RPMfusion (mostly derived from Livna) and RPMrepo. Alas, the latter site seems down at the moment, so I can not verify, but I would guess that both have enough overlap that you don't want to mix-and-match.
Fedora 10 released Posted Nov 25, 2008 17:24 UTC (Tue) by chema (subscriber, #32636) [Link]
People installing/upgrading, the F10 known issues/bugs page can be useful: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugs/F10Common
For now, the kernel-xen "issue" can be a problem (solved) for people upgrading (at least in my case).
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Fedora 10 released Posted Nov 25, 2008 17:41 UTC (Tue) by alecs1 (guest, #46699) [Link]
Ah, I heard about graphics theme and I hoped to see some nice eye candy. It is eye candy, but in the form of boot and login screen and desktop image. Unfortunately I get to see these 2-3 times a day for a few seconds. I don't even see any word about a set of icons that comes with Solar, while I was expecting a nice widget theme+icons+stylized panel.
What I see is the old depressing and claustrating GNOME default two panels. Granted, the defaults can always be changed, but don't people always complain about defaults? The usual victim is KDE, then I saw a lengthy flame about Fedora's X server running on vt1. At least it's prettier than Ubuntu's default screen.
Anyway, Fedora has done enough noise these months to make me try it after 3 years . This is a good evolution from a marketing perspective. Thumbs up for Fedora becoming more visible.
Side note: after helping a friend running Fedora these days, I think me installing Fedora means a new pile of bug reports on the package management programs.
One last word is that I would be so happy to see some big distribution invest more resources in Metisse (http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Projects/Metisse , search for some videos to get convinced that it has more interaction goodies that most all things out there).
Fedora 10 released Posted Nov 25, 2008 18:18 UTC (Tue) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]
Well, Metisse looks really cool. What about customizability, I wonder? Fixed keybindings are *so* not my thing.
My ideal wm would have the flashiness of metisse, optionally enabled, the internals of awesome (e.g. direct-to-XCB), the customizability of sawfish... nobody seems to have put these pieces together :/
Fedora 10 released Posted Nov 25, 2008 21:25 UTC (Tue) by bcbarnes (guest, #51878) [Link]
Anaconda's graphical install never gets started on my relatively new machine:
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=205116 Black screen of death.
No kernel option I've tried has helped (lowres, resolution=1024x768, noprobe, skipddc,
It's a shame. Fedora is my favorite distro and I was really hoping to try out the new release today.
Fedora 10 released Posted Nov 25, 2008 23:17 UTC (Tue) by cry_regarder (subscriber, #50545) [Link]
Note that poster's problem is solved now at above link
Fedora 10 released Posted Nov 25, 2008 23:21 UTC (Tue) by bcbarnes (guest, #51878) [Link]
Yup, I'm installing now! I used "xdriver=vesa" to get a graphical anaconda with my NVidia
hardware. I'm not sure why the nv driver wasn't autodetecting and working; I have no idea what F10 has changed in that respect.
Fedora 10 released Posted Nov 26, 2008 0:35 UTC (Wed) by JoeBuck (subscriber, #2330) [Link] Would xdriver=nv force the nv driver? Or perhaps it's broken?
Fedora 10 released Posted Nov 26, 2008 0:44 UTC (Wed) by dowdle (subscriber, #659) [Link]
Next time pick up the Alpha, Beta, etc... and try the LiveCDs before waiting for release day and wondering why it doesn't work.
It's better to report bugs during the development cycle for the product you want to use... rather than during the development cycle of the next product.
Fedora 10 released Posted Nov 26, 2008 1:31 UTC (Wed) by bcbarnes (guest, #51878) [Link]
Yeah, I know that. Anyone reading LWN knows that. The standard Linux answer is for the end-
user to be part of the development and QA process. Are you commenting on a bug? Then submit a bug report. Commenting on a release? Then be a beta tester. Commenting on a piece of code? Then submit a patch.
I've done some of those things before, and I do it when I can. However, I've been too busy to use
So, I'm rendering an end-user verdict: the install process did not work trouble-free on a really
I have since resolved it with some command-line kung fu to get a functional network connect,
Again, I am a Fedora enthusiast. I've been using their line since RH8 and also run servers based
Fedora 10 released Posted Nov 28, 2008 15:56 UTC (Fri) by pboddie (subscriber, #50784) [Link] I've done some of those things before, and I do it when I can. However, I've been too busy to use that machine as a testbed the past month. This is the point that a lot of the "it's open source, remember?" commenters fail to appreciate: testing hardware support and the installation process is a disruptive exercise which has to take second place to real work; we don't all have five or six computers lying around drinking electricity for the sake of it. Myself, I'd be happy if the distributions actually bothered to test for failure situations which I have already reported rather than either inviting me to test whether the bug in question has magically disappeared or inviting me to see which regressions they've managed to introduce in their imminent release ("please take a look in the next ten days").
Fedora 10 released Posted Nov 26, 2008 6:20 UTC (Wed) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]
This release is very impressive, to say the least.
I don't know how stable it is or anything else, it usually takes Fedora a couple months to get everything hunky-dory, but god-damn it seems very nice.
Some of the things that I like about it's features:
* Fedora has the best support for getting Intel graphics improvements out to end users.
That's just a few I can think of. This is the first release since Fedora 4 or so that has given me serious consideration in switching to Fedora for my main system.
Fedora 10 released Posted Nov 26, 2008 6:23 UTC (Wed) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]
Oh. And LXDE is a good move. It actually delivers what XFCE originally claimed to be.(and never really was) It's a Gnome/Windows work-alike that is able to present a relatively consistent and high performance UI for people with slower machines. Very cool.
Oh, and for the people that are used to the old-school way of doing things with editing home resource control text files and such then LXDE is something that you should look into. All sorts of lovely possibilities for customization. It's a bit of a blast-from-the-past in terms of usability compared to a modern relatively polished Gnome interface, but given the resource restraints of the machines it's designed to run on it's able to do a very good job of compromising, IMO.
Fedora 10 released Posted Nov 26, 2008 8:15 UTC (Wed) by Tuxie (guest, #47191) [Link] XFCE was originally a CDE work-alike. If you look at XFCE 2.0 it looks almost identical to it.
LXDE Posted Nov 27, 2008 6:10 UTC (Thu) by eru (subscriber, #2753) [Link] I looked at the LXDE website and I am a bit puzzled about what is the major advantage of using LXDE over the 1990's approach of using a configurable window manager like fvwm plus a selection of existing lightweight applications. (For some reason LXDE also introduces its own versions of basics like text editor, terminal, file manager etc, when dozens of implementations for these already exist). Same could of course also be asked of GNOME and KDE, but they do introduce a lot of plumbing of their own for inter-application communication and configuration. LXDE seems to rely on plain old X11 and Unix conventions, which is probably a good thing for making it lightweight, but what is the major difference between it and old-school window managers? Just branding and component selection?
Fedora 10 released Posted Nov 26, 2008 8:09 UTC (Wed) by tajyrink (subscriber, #2750) [Link]
I agree. I've mainly used Ubuntu and Debian since '04, and before that SUSE. I still would recommended Ubuntu for novice users, partially because of its compromises (the restricted repository mainly with the closed graphics drivers) and the ability to dismiss software patents, if you are able, by installing free software codecs easily. But Fedora 10 is truly a taste of the future. The diff in user-friendliness between Fedora and Ubuntu for example is nowadays starting to be relatively low, though there are definitely things done better in Ubuntu. I'd especially like Fedora and upstream GNOME get rid of the System Tools menu - it clearly shows what technical types of people are doing the system, when we have firstly System menu with two subfolders (and two sub-subfolders) full of system stuff, and _still_ a System Tools in Applications with more of should-be-more-hidden-from-plain-view stuff most people don't use. The must-have from there can be moved to Accessories (like Terminal), some others to System -> Administration. Like Ubuntu, Fedora has the problem from upstream with too cluttered System subfolders, where only slowly some obvious apps have been merged during many release cycles.
Anyway, usability aside, which is really tremendously good in Fedora too (if you setup a computer for someone, it's about as good as Ubuntu for everyday use, at least if used in English), the GEM support for Intel graphics is something that is a joy to use - Intel graphics finally fast at something! Of course it's still not optimized fully, but it's great that FOSS graphics are finally being made "in the right way".
Package installation seemed actually faster than on apt-based systems, or maybe it was caused by my usage of Fedora from USB stick. Apt-based systems nowadays have a big delay at the start of the installation when package database is being read - it churns hard disk quite a lot, but is over in an instant if it's cached. Might be something to do with the default repository sizes, too.
I18N did not seem complete, partially same problems as with Ubuntu. I really hope that correct I18N would become as natural for developer as "it compiles". Well, one can dream. The Network Manager menu item is the most obvious problem, and I'm not sure about some System Tools stuff if those menu items are properly translatable.
I'd like Fedora DVD:s to have the live feature too, because DVDs are what I mainly download but I'd like to have the live functionality there too.
Too bad kernel mode setting isn't working with Intel yet, only Radeons. Or like it's said, it worked before but was broken again.
Anyway, I'd recommend Fedora 10 to just about anyone. I do prefer brown/orange themes over blue, though ;) Blue is the curse of the western computing world, somehow, and should be banned just for the sake of design people having to try something new. Black could be the new black too, though.
Fedora 10 released Posted Nov 26, 2008 22:40 UTC (Wed) by me@jasonclinton.com (subscriber, #52701) [Link]
GEM was merged in 2.6.28 and kernel mode setting still out of tree. Is Fedora pulling unfinished kernel stuff in to 2.6.27?
Fedora 10 released Posted Nov 27, 2008 5:25 UTC (Thu) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]
Well like any distro it doesn't run the vanilla kernel, but makes additions and deletions based on the wisdom and desires of the kernel package maintainers.
In Fedora 9 it was a boot-time option to turn it on.
My own expirence with Fedora 10 Posted Nov 27, 2008 5:59 UTC (Thu) by gmaxwell (subscriber, #30048) [Link]
I installed Fedora 10 on a desktop here which has been happily running Fedora 9. In short: For me, Fedora 10 is totally broken.
I have a pair of ATI X850XT (R480) video cards. Video worked fine with Fedora 9 using the radeon driver, even 3d (though I don't use 3d). With Fedora 10 the kernel modesetting results in a panic and hard lock on boot, with only a helpful "Something bad may or may not happen" error message.
With modesetting disabled I am unable to use X, even after creating an xorg.conf as it seems that the radeon driver is now married to the non-functional modesetting feature.
It appears that no mechanism was provided in Fedora to easily switch back to the old infrastructure for those who are unable to get this new infrastructure to work on their hardware. (If one was it's not mentioned in the release notes, on the wiki, and it's unknown to the folks in IRC).
I appreciate that Fedora pushes important new features and I'm willing to deal with some warts as a result, but right now this system is completely unusable and I do not have the time available right now to play driver developer and fix it. Hopefully the bugzilla entry [ https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=473198 ] I created will get some attention while I can afford to leave this system inoperable and available for troubleshooting. But if I'm unable to get this resolved soon I'll either need to reinstall Fedora 9 or switch to some other distribution.
I've been a user of the RedHat distribution for over a decade and I don't recall ever being so disappointed with a release as I am now.
My own expirence with Fedora 10 Posted Nov 28, 2008 3:47 UTC (Fri) by bojan (subscriber, #14302) [Link]
My own expirence with Fedora 10 Posted Nov 29, 2008 0:27 UTC (Sat) by gmaxwell (subscriber, #30048) [Link]
Alas, no. Black screen, hard lock.
My own expirence with Fedora 10 Posted Nov 29, 2008 18:16 UTC (Sat) by bridgman (guest, #50408) [Link]
Are your X850's AGP or PCIE ? AFAIK there are some known (evil) problems with kernel modesetting and AGP. I think the drivers are supposed to automatically switch back to user modesetting if KMS is not enabled... have you tried posting on #radeon IRC when airlied is around ?
My own expirence with Fedora 10 Posted Nov 29, 2008 18:33 UTC (Sat) by gmaxwell (subscriber, #30048) [Link]
PCI-E. If it switched back automatically I'd have very little to complain about.
I wasn't aware of #radeon; #fedora was not especially helpful. Thank you very much for the tips.
My own expirence with Fedora 10 Posted Nov 30, 2008 14:49 UTC (Sun) by ceplm (subscriber, #41334) [Link]
Try #radeon or #xorg-devel (#fedora is more for assistance to newbies, which is apparently not your problem) and notice that Dave lives in Australia.
My own expirence with Fedora 10 Posted Dec 6, 2008 3:06 UTC (Sat) by WWMCCROSKEY (guest, #55453) [Link]
I have Fedora 8 running dual head on the following setup:
1. NVidia GeForce FX5200 on AGP slot 2. ATI Radeo 9200 Pro on PCI slot using one of its two head outputs.
Works great.
Tried fresh install of Fedora 10 two day ago. Could not get the AGP card to run. Got some video going on the PCI card but it was not real stable.
Finally gave up and used Acronis to recover the last backup from DVD and put Fedora 8 back on.
Fedora 10 released Posted Nov 27, 2008 14:08 UTC (Thu) by fsphil (guest, #44932) [Link] I've installed F10 on my EeePC 900 and everything worked first time - first time that's ever happened! I'm really impressed by this release. Congratulations to everyone involved!
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