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Canonical announces Ubuntu for the ARM platformCanonical announces Ubuntu for the ARM platformPosted Nov 14, 2008 17:52 UTC (Fri) by sbergman27 (subscriber, #10767)In reply to: Canonical announces Ubuntu for the ARM platform by jspaleta Parent article: Canonical announces Ubuntu for the ARM platform
So kragil was right. I had hoped that good taste might prevail this time. Do you not have something constructive to do somewhere? All the sour grapes attitudes I see expressed these days by Fedora guys do nothing to improve Fedora's position or image. And the obvious distro partisanship is reminiscent of the fragmentation of Unix in the 80s.
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Canonical announces Ubuntu for the ARM platform Posted Nov 14, 2008 18:29 UTC (Fri) by jspaleta (subscriber, #50639) [Link]
Are you saying that the Mojo effort shouldn't be rolled into the Ubuntu community umbrella?
Nokia is on record about the benefits of porting the existing Ubuntu software repository onto ARM instead of making their own distribution..again.
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7548149165.html
Why on earth isn't the Ubuntu community leadership jumping up and down to get Mojo integrated directly into Ubuntu?
How is it sour grapes for me to talk about Canonical's lack of support of Mojo to date? Nokia wants Ubuntu...they are bending over backwards to port Ubuntu to the CPUs in their devices..outside of the Ubuntu release process. Pointing that out doesn't help Fedora in the slightly. It helps Nokia n800 and n810 owners however as it gives them another distribution option.
What would be sour grapes would for me to go over to Mojo and encourage them to take a look at Fedora's open and extendable build infrastructure, the expanded and more liberal Fedora trademark guidelines and to encourage them to support Fedora's ARM porting efforts by getting involved directly in that effort. But I haven't done that. I could though if that is what is expected of me.
Mojo is a port of Ubuntu to ARM...an existing port...to existing devices. It's not a press release about a port which will happen next year. Credit where credit is due...Canonical is really good with press releases.
Why isn't it part of the Ubuntu offerings? Why can't Mojo officially use the Ubuntu brand or infrastructure so these ARM ports can be released syncronized with the other arches? Isn't that a problem the Ubuntu community should want to see solved? Nokia actually contributes to upstream projects. Having them involved in Ubuntu in a more direct fashion would be a win-win-win for everyone..except maybe Canonical's own business interests.
-jef
Canonical announces Ubuntu for the ARM platform Posted Nov 15, 2008 13:33 UTC (Sat) by mdz@debian.org (subscriber, #14112) [Link]
(speaking informally on behalf of Canonical)
If you were to take a closer look at the handhelds.org port, you'd see that your question doesn't make sense. What Canonical is doing (creating an official, repeatable, source-level port of Ubuntu to ARM) is substantially different from what has been done at handhelds.org (recompiling Ubuntu source packages with minimal changes).
It doesn't make any more sense to "roll Mojo into Ubuntu" than it does to "roll CentOS into RHEL".
We're pleased that the Mojo project exists, and has helped to promote the use of Ubuntu in embedded environments. An official Ubuntu port should only make their work much, much easier, and bring more people into the Ubuntu ARM community.
You can read about what handhelds.org did here: http://mojo.handhelds.org/overview
You can read their announcement of support for Canonical's work here: http://mojo.handhelds.org/node/68
...and you can spare us all this drivel.
Canonical announces Ubuntu for the ARM platform Posted Nov 15, 2008 21:28 UTC (Sat) by jspaleta (subscriber, #50639) [Link]
Let me put a finer point on it because I may be confused. The press release mentions only ARMv7.. but a blog post on planet ubuntu mentions that to get to ARMv7 a bootstrap ARMv5 environment may be required.
ref: http://idlethread.blogspot.com/2008/11/ubuntu-on-arm_14.html
Is Canonical committing to opening up official Ubuntu ports for ARMv5 and ARMv6 that can use the existing Ubuntu branding, and shared release cycle?
Or is this just an ARMv7 offering?
If Canonical isn't committing to offering ARMv5 and ARMv6 ports under the Ubuntu community brand... why not?
If Canonical isn't committing to offering ARMv5 and ARMv6 ports under the Ubuntu community brand... can you (informally on behalf of Canonical) outline the steps that interested Ubuntu community people would need to take in order to make ARMv5 and ARMv6 ports official Ubuntu offerings which get access to the trademarks and the cna participate in the release cycle and community qa initatives ?
-jef
Canonical announces Ubuntu for the ARM platform Posted Nov 15, 2008 23:30 UTC (Sat) by mdz@debian.org (subscriber, #14112) [Link]
As Amit explained in the blog post you've referred to, the port currently in progress does in fact target ARMv5 as a baseline and selectively optimize for ARMv7.
The steps to use the official bits on ARMv5 or ARMv6 should be, well, none at all. Much of the initial development work has been done on ARMv5 devices because they're plentiful, and I expect that much of the ARM community will be testing Ubuntu on ARMv5 devices until ARMv7 devices become more widely available.
I can't comment on any future plans.
If you have further questions, you're welcome to ask them (politely) on the ubuntu-mobile mailing list.
Canonical announces Ubuntu for the ARM platform Posted Nov 15, 2008 23:50 UTC (Sat) by jspaleta (subscriber, #50639) [Link]
testing Ubuntu on ARMv5...does that mean there will be an ARMv5 Ubuntu "release"? You didn't actually say, and I'm not going to assume "testing" means "release". It could mean a PPA for all I know. If there is going to be an ARMv5 release... just throw out another press release.. or and addendum...or an announcement on a mailinglist anywhere that can be referenced for n810 owners who aspire to run Ubuntu.
Failing that is there going to be something for ARMv5/ARMv6 like the non-supported community powerpc/sparc ports already open inside Ubuntu?
ref: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/intrepid/release/
-jef"always polite"spaleta
Canonical announces Ubuntu for the ARM platform Posted Nov 20, 2008 8:30 UTC (Thu) by tajyrink (subscriber, #2750) [Link]
"on the ubuntu-mobile mailing list." See https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
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